Florida’s Teacher of the Year Bluntly Writes WHY School Violence Is Out of Control

[Slartibartfast]

I have read the article. The study results are not listed in there (that I could find). They stated they would release them "next year" but there is no link. Just Facts doesn't make it's own sources up - all sources are clearly annotated at the bottom of the document.

"But Gary Kleck, a Florida State University criminologist and firearms researcher, said the concentration of most guns in the hands of a relatively small proportion of gun owners was “old news”."

I think most know this is true but it does need verification. I know a guy who will likely be the next famous old man to starve to death in a house full of guns. He owns more than 70 now, plus lots of illegal mods and he really loves flamethrowers also.

I found the survey company that did the research for the paper. More to come.

NRA trying to obscure data is costing me a fortune in commission this morning.

 

[Tsing Tao]

"But Gary Kleck, a Florida State University criminologist and firearms researcher, said the concentration of most guns in the hands of a relatively small proportion of gun owners was “old news”."

I think most know this is true but it does need verification. I know a guy who will likely be the next famous old man to starve to death in a house full of guns. He owns more than 70 now, plus lots of illegal mods and he really loves flamethrowers also.

I found the survey company that did the research for the paper. More to come.

NRA trying to obscure data is costing me a fortune in commission this morning.
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I think we can all point to crazy folks who hoard guns. I know one who has more guns than there are people in small towns. It's insane, and I have no doubt that - of the total population of firearms - a good percentage falls into the category of "owned by gun nut". But that's not really the point of this, is it?

If there are 300 million guns, and half are owned by 3% of people (assuming the data you posted is accurate for a moment) then there are still 150 million guns owned by all of the other owners. And that is massive.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I think we can all point to crazy folks who hoard guns. I know one who has more guns than there are people in small towns. It's insane, and I have no doubt that - of the total population of firearms - a good percentage falls into the category of "owned by gun nut". But that's not really the point of this, is it?

If there are 300 million guns, and half are owned by 3% of people (assuming the data you posted is accurate for a moment) then there are still 150 million guns owned by all of the other owners. And that is massive.

The point is that the NRA fudge numbers to create an vision of a gun loving majority of Americans. The reasons for owning guns however have changed for the bad, from hunting to fear of other people.

I believe that the NRA is a runaway train under Wayne's cult like leadership. Wayne the lobbyist comes in, he gets to work, the whole political system goes off the deep end.

Do you think he is a normal human being?

 

[Tsing Tao]

The point is that the NRA fudge numbers to create an vision of a gun loving majority of Americans. The reasons for owning guns however have changed for the bad, from hunting to fear of other people.

I believe that the NRA is a runaway train under Wayne's cult like leadership. Wayne the lobbyist comes in, he gets to work, the whole political system goes off the deep end.

Do you think he is a normal human being?

Is your concern more about the NRA's internal workings and political strategy? Because I've already stated I do not support many of the NRA's methods.

I thought we were discussing potential solutions with firearms. If all you want to do is discuss the NRA, have at it. I'll bow out.

 

[piezoe]

A great post, and entirely true. But it doesn't addresses getting rid of all guns, which is why liberals will ignore it.

I could be wrong here, but I believe it is only a small minority of the population that wants to get rid of guns entirely. Do you have any data on this. I have been lazy and haven't searched for it.

I'm a classical libertarian, definitely not a neo-libertarian, so naturally I believe in as little government interference with our lives as possible, consistent with maintaining both public order and our individual freedoms. Scalia's argument in Heller v. D.C. convinced me that the right to own firearms is an inalienable right. In other words, it exists whether or not there is a second amendment. But Scalia also argued that this right does not prevent the government from putting reasonable restrictions on the types of fire arms that one can own. Nor does the second amendment preclude those restrictions. In other words, according to the majority opinion in Heller, the right to own and use firearms it is not a right without limitation.

Government banning of semiautomatic firearms, for example, would not violate either our inalienable right, or the Second Amendment. A Government requirement that all firearms be registered in a national registry would not violate these rights. Universal consistent background checks and waiting periods in all fifty States would not violate these rights. If the gun lobby refuses to step up, suggest and support reasonable and effective controls-- the forgoing is where we are headed. Frankly, the NRA has no credibility among the general public, and for good reasons.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Is your concern more about the NRA's internal workings and political strategy? Because I've already stated I do not support many of the NRA's methods.

I thought we were discussing potential solutions with firearms. If all you want to do is discuss the NRA, have at it. I'll bow out.

I am drawing a circle around Wayne in particular as part of the solution. I know from lifelong experience how one person can whip up an unreality around him. Gerry Adams of the IRA is a good example and similar to others, not a political leader but a personality cult.

To say the NRA are out of bounds is to say Rupert Murdock, Bannon or Alex Jones (or Sorros) have nothing to do with their organisation's bias.

This is the published, cited work. Do you still hold that your swiftly found alternative internet source trounces this research?

https://www.rsfjournal.org/doi/full/10.7758/RSF.2017.3.5.02

Sorry, edited, I posted too fast as occupied.

 

[exGOPer]

Why is school violence not out of control in other developed nations? More deflections from the right wing dumbasses.

 

[Tsing Tao]

I could be wrong here, but I believe it is only a small minority of the population that wants to get rid of guns entirely. Do you have any data on this. I have been lazy and haven't searched for it.

I don't know how you'd find this data, but I suspect you're right. However, this supposedly small portion of the population is the loudest, and all the other side hears is "ban guns" which gets them instantly on guard and unwilling to listen to solutions.

I'm a classical libertarian, not a neo-libertarian, so naturally I believe in as little government interference with our lives as possible, consistent with maintaining both public order and our individual freedoms.

Oh, brother, not this bullshit again.

Scalia's argument in Heller v. D.C. convinced me that the right to own firearms is an inalienable right. In other words, it exists whether or not there is a second amendment. But Scalia also argued that this right does not prevent the government from putting reasonable restrictions on the types of fire arms that one can own. Nor does the second amendment preclude those restrictioms, in the opinion of Justice Scalia. In other words, according to the majority opinion in Heller, the right to own and use firearms it is not a right without limitation.

I would agree with this. Otherwise, without limitation, things like machine guns/SAWs and other highly lethal military grade weaponry would be available.

Government banning of semiautomatic firearms, for example, would not violate either our inalienable right or the Second Amendment. A Government requirement that all firearms be registered in a national registry would not violate these rights. Universal consistent background checks and waiting periods in all fifty States would not violate these rights. If the gun lobby refuses to step up and suggest reasonable and effective controls-- the forgoing is where we are headed.

Banning semi-automatic firearms? Do you know what you are saying? So what firearms are then left? See, this is the problem. When folks like you who have no knowledge whatsoever say things like that, you'll never get folks like myself at the table.

 

[Slartibartfast]

When folks like you who have no knowledge whatsoever say things like that, you'll never get folks like myself at the table.

Nobody needs folks like yourself at the table. You were told what to think, how to block and what to say by a small number of people.

Get the head on the snake telling a new tale and the current gun supporting extremists will find something new to collect.

Changing the hearts and mind of the NRA membership is futile, just handle Wayne better.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Nobody needs folks like yourself at the table. You were told what to think, how to block and what to say by a small number of people.

Get the head on the snake telling a new tale and the current gun supporting extremists will find something new to collect.

Changing the hearts and mind of the NRA membership is futile, just handle Wayne better.

Then why do you continue to try to discuss this stuff with me? Why did you take me off ignore? I certainly don't benefit from your divine intellect.