Florida high school under lockdown after reports of shooter, victims, police say

[Frederick Foresight]

But according to you we should not make drunk driving illegal. In fact the 290million people who oppose drunk driving should die so that I can maintain my right to drive drunk.

Bam!

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

Clearly to you that acceptable number is 100percent if they oppose your viewpoint. Does your view represent all the other gun supporters here?

Actually, I do not support the death penalty to those who oppose my viewpoints. Should they be sucessful in taking my rights away, I become much more open-minded.

Please excuse me if I use the term “second amendment constitutional rights” than “gun supporters” in my following response: I don’t know what second amendment constitutional supporters think, therefore I don’t know how similar their views might be to mine.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Could part of the gun crime violence be related to T.V. shows, movies, and video games depicting violence? Could the breakup of many families or reduced time parents spend with their children have any part in what we are seeing today?

Yeah, sure, there was none of that 20 years ago.

I agree that those things don't help. I also think you are ignoring the big, stinking elephant in the room.

 

[schweiz]

How about the right to be not killed by a drunk driver? Do we eliminate cars and alcohol to make our kids safer?

Then we can accept that people can have nuclear weapons too. How crazy can it be? Where is the border between reasonable rules and insanity? That border got completely lost in the US.

I know this can sound rude but: 18 shootings in schools in six weeks. Are we going for a new record of shootings in 2018? There is no country anywhere with so many shootings. The US takes the first place worldwide. But believe me: nobody envies this first place.
Do we need to kill so many innocent students to give "freedom" and "the right to protect yourself"?
NRA will call these shootings probably: inevitable collateral damage.

PM:there are a mutiple of deathly victims from guns then victims from drunk drivers. And gunners aim to kill, drunk drivers have no intention to kill. A huge difference to me.

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

Did you get that ham-fisted argument from the NRA website?

No. Not an NRA member. Not yet, anyway. If I do join them, I will go big and be one of their “premium” or whatever designation they may have for a big contributor. I assume I don’t need to be a gun owner for me to join them.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Your way seems to be the Murica way. Tell me, in the last 20 years or so of this "good guy with a gun" policy, have things gotten better or worse?

Worse. But it would have gotten worse regardless of the "good guy with a gun" policy. It has to do with mental health, poor parenting, inequality and a whole host of things.

 

[gwb-trading]

You think meaningful gun laws can be limited to individual cities to make a difference? It's a start, but that's all it is. Meanwhile, the very thing you don't want happening is on the rise. You know the definition of insanity, right?

Yes, the definition of insanity is taking guns away from law-abiding citizens. Just ask the Jews in Germany in the 30s, or the non-Russian minorities under Stalin how the taking of guns relates to insanity.

 

[elderado]

So while you go on with the tired old Jimmy Kimmel arguments, why not take a walk on the wild side and evaluate this man for who he was. Did you see that he was adopted, his adoptive father died 10 years ago, and his adoptive mother just died, at age 68? That's grandma age. Why were he and his brother adopted by old people? There is no excuse for his behavior, but you've got to ask what was going on at home since this man was a known problem for many, many years and the school district was completely aware of him and his behavior.

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

But according to you we should not make drunk driving illegal. In fact the 290million people who oppose drunk driving should die so that I can maintain my right to drive drunk.

If I am understanding you correctly, you are proposing to eliminate all motor vehicles and alcohol?

If so, that is true commitment to your point of view!

 

[Tsing Tao]

I believe the solution in large part is universal health care, particularly relating to mental health.

The same messed up depressed kids are in the UK, Germany you name it watching the same crazy shit on youtube. They don't have easy access to guns (easier in Germany however not simple) however as was said, they could get a truck and plow through a kindergarten of festival.

They don't, not the native kids.

The difference is, European kids get early professional treatment for psychiatric disorders. Of course troubled teens become troubled parents and screw up more kids.

In the same way that reducing access to contraception increases abortions the wrong headed thinking about health care in the US has manifested in this US specific phenomenon.

Also start a buy back on ARs and prevent them being advertised, similar to cigarettes.

Excellent post. But a buy back on A/Rs will simply not work. There are too many of them on the street. Oh, sure. You might get some folks turning in old guns for money desperately needed.