Finally !!! ASK QUESTIONS, DEMAND ANSWERS.

[acronym]

Hap?? ?!!!

:eek:

 

[hapaboy]

Acro?? :eek:

 

[Longhorns]

For me, the most ridiculous fairy tale conspiracy theory is the one about the World Trade Center towers being taken down by a controlled demolition.

110 floors occupied by a few thousand people....and nobody noticed the miles of demolition cable wires connected to the hundreds of separate detonation devices placed strategically throughout the entire trade center complex (not to mention how long it would take to wire up buildings of that size)...all without anyone noticing anything!!!

Conspiracy nuts refuse to acknowledge the obvious. I can't wait for one of them to post some ridiculous nonsense "proving" my statements wrong.

 

[acronym]

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Acro?? :eek:

Why would a blind kid, get an autograph they cant see, on a magazine they can neither see nor read?

Although, it is a good metaphor for haps slavish need for official approval of his vast debunkement campaign.

Longhorns, that a big one, ironically enough, because it does back up the premise, that people do "beleive what they see" .
It "looked" like a thousand contolled demolitions that everyone has seen on telly, so precisely, that people will become incredulous when there told "oh, its a coincidence , it happens etc"

You wouldnt beleive some of the ideas ive heard, from people with no more expertise in the physics, geopolitics, the practicallity of such matters, than your average garden gnome, and far less skilled conspiracy factualists than myself.


What bugs me is presumption, there are in reality very few determinable facts regarding this event, such is the lack of transperency by the authorities concerned.

While Hap is racking up frequent flyer points for his all expense paid vacation to the bush's other holiday home, in kennedebunkeport,
the footage still isnt available to supposedly, finish off the pesky conspiracy theorists once and for all with ACTUAL information, rather than the slipstream of crap to have flown from the ass end of this administration since day one.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from acronym:

Although, it is a good metaphor for haps slavish need for official approval of his vast debunkement campaign.

What part of your ass did you pull this out of? I need approval to debunk this idiocy as much as you need approval to speak to a woman....wait, maybe I spoke too soon....

While Hap is racking up frequent flyer points for his all expense paid vacation to the bush's other holiday home, in kennedebunkeport,

LOL! ...a few more reports to the FBI Stormtroopers and I may just have accumulated enough points! Don't make me turn you in, acro, please!

 

[achilles28]

Quote from hapaboy:

Thanks for wasting more of ETs storage space with your paranoid drivel.

And still, more ad hominem.

Try arguing the facts.

All you're capable of, it seems, are insults. What a surprise.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from achilles28:

Try arguing the facts.

Fact: You're a paranoid moonbat.

 

[achilles28]

Quote from hapaboy:

(continued)

I recall interviewing one former CIA official who helped manage a division that ran the sort of actions listed above, and I asked him whether the CIA had considered "permanently neutralizing" a former CIA man who had revealed operations and the identities of CIA officers. Kill an American citizen? he replied, as if I were crazy to ask. No, no, he added, we could never do that. Yes, in the spy-world some things were beyond the pale. And, he explained, it would be far too perilous, for getting caught in that type of nasty business could threaten your career. Which brings us to....

Not gutsy enough. Think of the danger -- the potential danger to the plotters. What if their plan were uncovered before or, worse, after the fact? Who's going to risk being associated with the most infamous crime in U.S. history? At the start of such a conspiracy, no one could be certain it would work and remain a secret. CIA people -- and those in other government agencies -- do care about their careers.

Would George W. Bush take the chance of being branded the most evil president of all time by countenancing such wrongdoing? Oil may be in his blood, but would he place the oil industry's interests ahead of his own? (He sure said sayonara to Kenneth Lay and Enron pretty darn fast.) And Bush and everyone else in government know that plans leak. Disinformation specialists at the Pentagon could not keep their office off the front page of The New York Times. In the aftermath of September 11, there has been much handwringing over the supposed fact that U.S. intelligence has been too risk-averse. But, thankfully, some inhibitions -- P.R. concerns, career concerns -- do provide brakes on the spy-crowd.

By now, you're probably wondering why I have bothered to go through this exercise. Aren't these conspiracy theories too silly to address? That should be the case. But, sadly, they do attract people.

A fellow named Michael Ruppert, who compiled that timeline mentioned above, has drawn large crowds to his lectures. He has offered $1000 to anyone who can "disprove the authenticity of any of his source material." Well, his timeline includes that Canadian prisoner's claim and cites the Toronto Star as the source. But Ruppert fails to note that the Star did not confirm the man's account, that the paper reported some observers "wonder if it isn't just the ravings of a lunatic," and that the Star subsequently reported the judge said the tale had "no air of reality." Does that disprove anything? Not 100 percent. There's still a chance that man is telling the truth, right? So I'm not expecting a check.

Conspiracy theories may seem more nuisance than problem. But they do compete with reality for attention. There is plenty to be outraged over without becoming obsessed with X Files-like nonsense. Examples? There's the intelligence services's failure to protect Americans and the lack of criticism of the CIA from elected officials. Or, General Tommy Franks, the commander of military operations in Afghanistan, declaring the commando mis-assault at Hazar Qadam, which resulted in the deaths of fifteen to twenty local Afghans loyal to the pro-U.S. government, was not an intelligence failure. (How can U.S. Special Forces fire at targets they wrongly believe to be Taliban or al Qaeda fighters, end up killing people they did not intend to kill, and the operation not be considered an intelligence failure?) More outrage material? A few months ago, forensic researchers found the remains of people tortured and killed at a base the CIA had established in the 1980s as a training center for the contras. The U.S. ambassador to Honduras at the time is now the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Negroponte.

There are always national security misdeeds to be mad about. They may not be as cinematic in nature as a plot in which shady, unidentified U.S. officials scheme to blow up the World Trade Towers to gain control of an oil pipeline in Central Asia. But dozens of dead Hondurans or twenty or so Afghans wrongly killed ought to provoke anger and protest. In fact, out-there conspiracy theorizing serves the interests of the powers-that-be by making their real transgressions seem tame in comparison. (What's a few dead in Central America, compared to thousands in New York City? Why worry about Negroponte, when unidentified U.S. officials are slaughtering American civilians to trigger war?)

Perhaps there's a Pentagon or CIA office that churns out this material. Its mission: distract people from the real wrongdoing. Now there's a conspiracy theory worth exploring. Doesn't it make sense? Doesn't it all fit together? I challenge anyone to disprove it.

David Corn is the Washington editor of The Nation.

Wow. Thats impressive hapaboy.

Think for yourself much? Or just prefer to copy and paste the entire internet on here in your defense?

lol.


Your 'defense' is littered with so many factual and conceptual errors i don't know where to begin.

Oh, and lets not forget the ol' tried and true, "it can't happen here" argument.

More bullshit. No surprise.

 

[achilles28]

Quote from hapaboy:

Fact: You're a paranoid moonbat.

*YAWN*


Avoiding the argument in favor or more ad hominem.

You're a real one trick pony.

 

[der_kommissar]

Quote from achilles28:

*YAWN*


Avoiding the argument in favor or more ad hominem.

You're a real one trick pony.

yeah, Hapaboy is a bigger imbecile than his arch nemisis, ZZZzzzz. At least with the latter, there is some grey matter present. Hapaboy is just a dipshit who eats whatever is served him.