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As opposed to you oh-so-tricky conspiracy moonbats.
And I suppose you get your wacky information from....where?
Mainstream news articles and eye witness accounts that grossly contradict the 'official version'.
Start at the beginning.
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Oh let me guess - you were there!
And if I was, how would it make any difference??
'Oh yea, I was there when those towers came down so I know with absolute certainty there was no Government involvement???!?!
According to your logic, the Government was involved since the majority of people who had front row seats and therefore, obviously know best - the NEw Yorkers - beleive the Government was complicit.
Stupid stupid stupid.
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And you saw that the planes weren't airliners!
Strawman. More idiocy.
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And you talked to the firefighters who were on the scene!
Nope. But if you take a minute to read THEIR OWN WORDS (FDNY/ first responders) you'd hear the same thing:
1) 'bombs' going off in the building
2) finding 'bombs' in the building
3) alleged 'raging inferno' purportedly hot enough to melt steel, only needed "2 lines" (read: 2 fires hoses) to put out.
Thats according to the official FDNY radio recording of firemen who WERE ACTUALLY there, on the 78th floor of the WTC (impact site).
Of course, thats if you actually believe a taped recording the Bush Administration refused to make public because, according to the Bushies, 'there was nothing on it'.
Haven't you heard the story of how Nero fiddled while Rome burned? Its starts with a bumbling president and book about a pet goat. LOL.
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And you just KNOW that such a horrific event could not have occurred at the hands of some "hardly-capable hijackers."
No, I don't know with absolute certainty. Just like you don't know with absolute certainty the Government doesn't have blood on it hands.
As to your contention dwiddle-dee and dweedle-dum flawlessly navigated massive commercial airliners into the towers at 500 mph - at 5+ g's. LOL!!
Its akin to suggesting a guy who just learned how to put, dusts off a club he's never used before, and shoots a hole in one. And then another. Back-to-back.
But, it happened. So it MUST be true, right??
The bigger the lie....
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And all the articles from various sources that either debunk the conspiracy theories directly
Which are where?
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....or merely state the facts of the hijackings
Which are what?? A quarter of the sept 11th 'hijackers' have shown up alive and well.
How do you explain that?
How do you explain the dearth of debris at the Pentagon?
And the lack of damage? Or bodies? Or tail sections?
Or a post-crash Pentagon smelling like high explosive?
Or the WTC basement filled with molten steel (A MONTH AFTER THE ATTACKS) - even though jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel?
Or the WTC maintenance workers reporting a whole basement subsection 'gone' with only that pesky, ultrafine particulate left behind - characteristic of high explosive (just like the Pentagon)?
Or the PBS special where Larry Silverstien admits they demo'd building seven on the afternoon of 9/11 ?
Or top Pentagon brass canceling their flight plans on sept 11th citing 'security concerns'?
Or Bushs statement he saw the first WTC strike on TV (theres an actual picture of this), when the first AA impact video didn't surface until several days after 9/11?
Or GWs' instruction to US intel agencies to 'back off' investigating the Bin Laden/Saudi Royal family terror connection prior to 911?
Or how about ex-FBI agent Sibel Edmonds testimony that not only implicates the FBI for failing to act on hard intel received prior to 9/11 but WILLFULLY CONSPIRING TO COVERUP AND SHELTER KNOWN 9/11 CONSPIRATORS AFTER THE ATTACKS?
Of course, Sibel's testimony at the 911 whitewash 'Commission' was done under air tight secrecy. Predictably, Edmonds is now under 2 Federal Gag orders barring her from uttering a peep about what she knows.
Just a taste for all the dumbasses out there (SE = Sibel Edmonds):
SE: This was mainly for the reason of accountability. As you know, and as the chairman for the 9/11 Commission [Thomas Kean] answered during Tim Russert's show: to this day, not a single person has been held accountable. And certain issues, yes, they were due to a certain level of incompetence. But there were certain other issues--you know they keep talking about this "wall," and not having communication. I beg to differ on that, because there are certain instances where the Bureau is being asked by the State Department not to pursue certain investigations or certain people or certain targets of an investigation--simply citing "diplomatic relations."
And what happens is, instead of targeting those people who are directly related to these illegal terrorist activities, they just let them walk free.
JH: And they interrogate people who are trying to make voting safe.
SE: And that is hypocritical. I see people detained for simple INS violations.
On the other hand I have seen several, several top targets for these investigations of these terrorist activities that were allowed to leave the country--I'm not talking about weeks, I'm talking about months after 9/11.
JH: And there were four major FBI investigations, not counting yours, that were squelched in Phoenix, Minneapolis, Chicago and New York.
SE: Correct.
JH: And yours was even outside of that.
SE: Correct.
JH: So, obviously, we have mid-level FBI people who have been told something. It was the mid-level FBI people who knew enough to squelch many of these investigations before they went further.
So how did they know to do that? Can all of them have been incompetent?
SE: No. Absolutely not.
JH: So they got the word down from Mueller, probably.
SE: I cannot confirm that for sure,
but I can tell you that there is so much involvement, that if they did let this information out, and if they were to hold real investigations--I'm not talking about this semi-investigation they're holding under this "Joint Inquiry"--the pure show of the 9/11 Commission that has been getting the mass media's attention. If they were to do real investigations we would see several significant high level criminal prosecutions in this country. And that is something that they are not going to let out. And, believe me; they will do everything to cover this up. And I am appalled. I am really surprised. I'm taken back by seeing the mass media's reaction to this. They are the window to our government's operation and what are they doing?
http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml
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and ensuing crashes are not credible because..........the government either wrote those articles,
The articles you speak of lack credibility not because the Government 'wrote them'. But because the FACTS OMITTED in those articles contradict the 'official' account.
When you actually do your 9/11 homework - which I'm sure you haven't - you'll find 99% of the Government story relies on circular logic and unsubstantiated innuendo:
The towers fell because of the fire. And the fires caused towers to fall. Easy, isn't it?
Because the WTC debris was whisked away so quick (exported to china) we had no way to verify the Governments version of WTC collapse is true.
We must simply take them on their word. Or, we can trust all the 'scientific' models that begin with a forgone conclusion and build their 'objective' explanation around that.
Of course, you'd have to ignore the fact the WTC was grossly overengineered and designed to withstand the impact of 2 errant 707's. Each. Thats according to the chief architect. No biggie.
Quote from hapaboy: blackmailed the individuals who wrote those articles,
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whose been blackmailed?
Quote from hapaboy:... or those individuals comprise the "THEM" behind all this insidiousness.[/B]
You mean the popular mechanics editor who just happens to be cousins with Michael Chertoff - our new Fatherland Security Director?
How possibly, could the Chertoff clan have a vested interest in maintaining an official veneer that is squarely responsible for all their success/power and presumably, money?
Nahh.. Theres no conflict of interest there.
Nor is there one with Bushs Dad owning a major share of Washingtons biggest Defense Contractor - Caryle Group (co-owned by the Bin Laden family, I might add).
Dumbfucks. Writing is on the wall. Wake up.
Quote from hapaboy:Now back to your dim witted ad hominem attacks and lame ass jokes. [/B]
