Fetterman prime example anything is possible in life

[UsualName]

I agree, I think this is an advantage. It also (for people who actually pay attention - which unfortunately isn't that many) allows stark contrasts of different approaches so we can see which methods work better than others.

The downside is our influence on the world stage. World leaders are more hesitant to get into bed with us if our policies are changing materially from administration to administration. It used to be that R and D administrations followed regular policy, and had slight differences at the social level. Not anymore.

There was a time when politics stopped at the water’s edge. Hopefully we can get back to that.

 

[kmgilroy89]

bro, did you even look at Nina's polls before the DNC and pro-Israel PACs decided to dump millions on made up hit pieces to have their girl in there? c'mon now.

Fetterman's genius was on running as a prog w/o the label. Prog's policies are popular, the propaganda against the label makes them at times not so.

I do agree that Fetterman not labeling himself a socialist was helpful. Progressives always bitch about money, but plenty of good candidates win despite getting massively outspent all the time. Nina Turner could not win a general election in anything competitive. She certainly could not win statewide in OH. Sherrod Brown is a reasonably progressive senator and has proven he can. It's a personality thing.

 

[smallfil]

You can say "don't worry about other countries" but the nature of the world is that agreements have to be reached internationally sometimes. That's just the way it works.

Agreements have to be reached and nobody can be forced to sign any agreements, not to their liking. Take Switzerland which is not part of the European Union. They interviewed a top official once, and he said, we do not sign agreements we deem, not in our best interests. Other countries will look after their interests, that is a given. Why shouldn't the US do the same? Emmanuel Macron French President, just recently was trying to pressure Olaf Scholz German Prime Minister to favor French companies for major contracts at the expense of other countries in the European Union. That is just my point.

 

[Cuddles]

I do agree that Fetterman not labeling himself a socialist was helpful. Progressives always bitch about money, but plenty of good candidates win despite getting massively outspent all the time. Nina Turner could not win a general election in anything competitive. She certainly could not win statewide in OH. Sherrod Brown is a reasonably progressive senator and has proven he can. It's a personality thing.

Shontel may be many things, progressive she's not.

 

[Tony Stark]

I disagree. I think Lamb would have won easily and pre-stroke Fetterman might have won by a larger margin. However, I think it's because pre-stroke he was a better natural politician than Lamb. Not because he was more progressive. He's just more of the guy that people would have a beer with and he can relate to both the white/black communities. There are plenty of progressives who progressives like that are horrible candidates. Nina Turner comes to mind. You hear people on the left say she should challenge Biden. Her personality would not sell well to white voters and I have no doubt that she would get absolutely obliterated in a general election.

I doubt progressives would have come out for Lamb.If I lived in PA I wouldn't have.Fetterman and Casey are more progressive than moderate like Lamb.The last Dem candidate for that PA seat was a moderate,and she loss.

 

[Cuddles]

I doubt progressives would have come out for Lamb.If I lived in PA I wouldn't have.Fetterman and Casey are more progressive than moderate like Lamb.The last Dem candidate for that PA seat was a moderate,and she loss.

The prog's/social democrat message is all about worker's rights/opportunities, Fetterman hammered that hard and his grassroots outreach rang true w/many disenfranchised redhats as well I reckon.

 

[kmgilroy89]

I doubt progressives would have come out for Lamb.If I lived in PA I wouldn't have.Fetterman and Casey are more progressive than moderate like Lamb.The last Dem candidate for that PA seat was a moderate,and she loss.

To Toomey, right? A decent Republican candidate. In a wave year.

 

[Tony Stark]

But why didn't Beto win? He ran as a progressive.

Texas is still a red state,not a purple state.

 

[Tony Stark]

To Toomey, right? A decent Republican candidate. In a wave year.

This was a wave year for republicans.Progressives candidates stopped the wave.

 

[kmgilroy89]

Texas is still a red state,not a purple state.

I don't know how Beto thought he could take out Abbott to be honest unless he thought the power grid would be more important. Beto is a fine politician, but Abbott is also not an awful candidate. Cruz is shitty, was arguably the worst Republican senator for most of the previous decade, but he's intelligent, and still better than many of the clowns running in this cycle. It was also in a more favorable environment for Democrats.