Federal Study Shows Illegals are More likely to be Criminals

[exGOPer]

you arguing bullshit assumption as if they a true.... again.

show us that the cato survey had these same numbers.


show us that these illegals were in federal prison for solely being here illegal and not additional crimes. (you argument is certainly ridiculous to some degree... because I heard on the radio that illegals made up a one third of the prisoners in for money laundering and illegals were a massive percentage of serious crimes like murder.

Where is the assumption

From your post

"The report does not provide information about the types of crimes that noncitizen prisoners committed. But senior administration officials who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity, said data from the U.S. Sentencing Commission indicates that non-citizens make up a disproportionate share of prisoners held on certain offenses, such as immigration violations"

HOW can you compare immigration violations as a criteria to compare that to residents? Do I have to explain this? Seriously?

And you heard it on radio? What? You can't be serious.

 

[jem]

you dnc troll you left out part of the sentence...

plus, you have absolutely zero idea that any significant percentage of the inmates are there in federal prison soley because of their immigration status.


here is the full quote....

Sentencing Commission indicates that non-citizens make up a disproportionate share of prisoners held on certain offenses, such as immigration violations, drug trafficking and drug possession.

Where is the assumption

From your post

"The report does not provide information about the types of crimes that noncitizen prisoners committed. But senior administration officials who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity, said data from the U.S. Sentencing Commission indicates that non-citizens make up a disproportionate share of prisoners held on certain offenses, such as immigration violations"

HOW can you compare immigration violations as a criteria to compare that to residents? Do I have to explain this? Seriously?

And you heard it on radio? What? You can't be serious.

 

[exGOPer]

you even quote out of context you dnc troll.

you have absolutely zero idea that any significant percentage is in federal prison soley because of their immigration status.

here is the full quote....

Sentencing Commission indicates that non-citizens make up a disproportionate share of prisoners held on certain offenses, such as immigration violations, drug trafficking and drug possession.

It's not out of context you moron - the moment you add immigration violation to the control group, the study becomes useless because residents CANNOT be compared from that point onwards.

Do you understand statistics at all, the samples are farcical since one group is by definition criminal according to the sample while the others cannot possibly break that particular law. I am done explaining this simple bit, continue your idiocy for everyone to see.

 

[jem]

you are just making shit up.
you have no idea if they counted people who were simply here illegally and not in prison for additional crimes.

hence you were arguing bullshit assumptions as if they were true... again.

in courtroom movie terms... you are arguing facts not in evidence.
in real court in California ... the objection would be foundation.

you have no foundation.
if you were to provide solid foundation... we could withdraw the objection of bullshit assumptions.

It's not out of context you moron - the moment you add immigration violation to the control group, the study becomes useless because residents CANNOT be compared from that point onwards.

Do you understand statistics at all, the samples are farcical since one group is by definition criminal according to the sample while the others cannot possibly break that particular law. I am done explaining this simple bit, continue your idiocy for everyone to see.

 

[exGOPer]

you are just making shit up.
you have no idea if they counted people who were simply here illegally and not in prison for additional crimes or primary crimes not do you know if that is a significant percent.

hence you were arguing bullshit assumptions as if they were true... again.

in courtroom movie terms... you are arguing facts not in evidence.
in real court in California ... the objection would be foundation.

you have no foundation.
if you were to provide solid foundation... we could withdraw the objection of bullshit assumptions.

YOUR OWN LINK says that, that's what gave me the idea.

Seriously, THINK before posting. Then read "The Elements of Statistical Learning". Stop wasting my time with your horrendous argument.

 

[jem]

i just explained your sentence does not say anything about criminals being only in federal prison for simply being here illegaly. you misrepresented or misunderstood what it said.

so unless you have some proof...
you were making bullshit assumptions... as I told you.

YOUR OWN LINK says that, that's what gave me the idea.

Seriously, THINK before posting. Then read "The Elements of Statistical Learning". Stop wasting my time with your horrendous argument.

 

[exGOPer]

i just explained your sentence does not say anything about criminals being only in federal prison for being illegal. you misrepresented or misunderstood what it said.

so unless you have some proof...
you were making bullshit assumptions... as I told you.

There are no assumptions - if you include immigration violations as part of the 'study' then it becomes irrelevant. This is like comparing abortion rates among men and women - one group can't possibly get abortions so you can slant the study anyway you like - it doesn't matter if you include other forms of birth control in that criteria list, the sample is already skewed.

 

[jem]

your if... is the point.. its highly unlikely your "if" is a significant percentage of the illegals in federal prison.

It seems very unlikely your assumption is legit. If anything first and second time illegal aliens who are picked up are deported not put in prison. if illegals end up in prison for immigration offenses its typically smuggling or violating a previous court order to stay out of the country. Which is criminal behavior.

If you can prove your assumption... then you would not be making bullshit assumptions.

til then you argued bullshit assumptions.

There are no assumptions - if you include immigration violations as part of the 'study' then it becomes irrelevant. This is like comparing abortion rates among men and women - one group can't possibly get abortions so you can slant the study anyway you like - it doesn't matter if you include other forms of birth control in that criteria list, the sample is already skewed.

 

[piezoe]

Contrary to the dnc and the establishment republicans...
Illegals are more likely to be criminals than citizens.

Noncitizens Make Up One in Five Federal Prisoners, Report Shows

Non-citizens account for about one of every five federal prisoners, according to a report released Thursday that blew a massive hole in the conventional wisdom in media and government that immigrants commit fewer crimes than natural-born citizens.

The joint report prepared by the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice shows that 58,766 known or suspected noncitizens — mostly illegal immigrants — were imprisoned by the federal Bureau of Prisons or a pretrial detention facility as of Sept. 30, 2017.

The report made public Thursday was the third issued since President Donald Trump mandated the information be collected every three months as part of his executive orderon immigration in January.

Officials said the numbers highlight the importance of carrying out the president’s immigration-enforcement priorities, including completing construction of a credible wall along the southwest border.

“While the administration is working diligently to remove dangerous criminal aliens from our streets, this report highlights the fact that more must be done,” Homeland Security Secretary Kirsten Nielsen said in a prepared statement.

Similarly, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Americans deserve an immigration system that serves the national interest.

“But at the border and in communities across America, our citizens are being victimized by illegal aliens who commit crimes,” he stated. “Nearly 95 percent of confirmed aliens in our federal prisons are here illegally.”

The report does not provide information about the types of crimes that noncitizen prisoners committed. But senior administration officials who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity, said data from the U.S. Sentencing Commission indicates that non-citizens make up a disproportionate share of prisoners held on certain offenses, such as immigration violations, drug trafficking and drug possession.

more at link...

https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/noncitizens-make-up-one-in-five-federal-prisoners-report-shows/

Jem, get a grip man.

That data doesn't show illegals are more likely to commit crimes other than the crime of being here illegally. Jesus Christ! When you write "Illegals are more likely to be criminals than citizens" duh. That's like righting someone in a car is more likely to be in a car than someone that isn't.

This is perhaps the most absurd statement ever to appear on ET.

 

[jem]

first of all if you ever knew someone in law enforcement or worked in it or even watched live cop shows on t.v. or had enough sense to contemplate the matter before acting like a smart ass lefty... you would know that not all criminals have identification or give you a real name.

hence stating suspected non citizens is accurate... for the the criminals who have not been fully identified because some might be citizens with records or warrants in other jurisdictions.

educate before pontificate...


2. none of the studies are very reliable. the ones I read admitted that good data is hard to get get. For instance you think sanctuary cities are giving out good data to the FEDs? We had a thread about this in the past. All the studies had seriously flaws or lack of good data that we read.

educate before you pontificate


3. lifezette was the first source I found to confirm what on heard on the radio.
The study was released to the public.

again...
educate (yourself) before you pontificate.

Jem, get a grip man. You're smarter than this, don't fall for this Trump crap it's just continuous lies. First thing to do is check out that source: "lifezette" ??? Do you see any thing in the statement quoted from the Report that should raise a red flag? "58,766 known or suspected noncitizens." What kind of crap is this? known or suspected . Yikes. And did it occur to anyone that non-citizens aren't necessarily illegal!!! Yet the Headline says illegal!!! This is VERY OBVIOUSLY MORE TRUMP STUFF.. Don't be taken in by it. (All this really shows is how pathetic the U.S. public education system has become! People will believe anything!)

Jem. All the reliable studies show that immigrants are less likely to be involved in serious crimes. And probably, other than immigration violations which be definition they are guilty of, illegal immigrants are logically unlikely to call attention to themselves by committing felonies that would throw them in prison or get them deported.

That data doesn't show illegals are more likely to commit crimes, other than the crime of being here illegally. Jesus Christ!