Fed Monetizes 1 Trillion in MBS and Treasuries for 2013

Quote from achilles28:

No, that's what YOU'RE talking about. Anyone can check out whats on the FEDs balance sheet. So what? Whats your point exactly? About a million points have been made on this thread, and all you wanna do is talk up the FEDS balance sheet all day as if they're modern day prophets. Pure jokes.

I genuinely think CT is just trying to share his experience and educate us on how things work. Some of the specifics he's shared have certainly been enlightening to me. But I remain dialed in on the sustainability of these actions being terminal, and when that terminal point is reached, all hell will break loose.
 
Quote from achilles28:


2) End all QE, all bailouts, all deficits. Let the economy collapse and ride out a massive depression. We could see a GDP contraction upwards of 20%, but we'd save the dollar, our own asses, and US global hegemony in the process.

We should play out this situation.. cuz often we talk about the Fed.. and the possible consequences of inflation and the dollar.

isn't the dollar only as good as the goods and services that back it?

Gdp drops more than 20%.. people lose their houses. jobs. cars. girlfriends.. It's a pretty bad day.

it starts to get fuzzy for me after that..

Someone help me out..
 
Quote from HopelessTrader:

We should play out this situation.. cuz often we talk about the Fed.. and the possible consequences of inflation and the dollar.

isn't the dollar only as good as the goods and services that back it?

Gdp drops more than 20%.. people lose their houses. jobs. cars. girlfriends.. It's a pretty bad day.

it starts to get fuzzy for me after that..

Someone help me out..

Why must it be all in or nothing? Can't there be middle ground?

Stop QE. Pass a balanced budget amendment, which includes massive tax reform. Put in a national sales tax (fair tax) instead of current stupidity. Put in incentives on corporate taxes for every job that is kept in the United States. Insist that if companies want to sell their products here, they have to have a certain number of jobs here dependent on industry.

End lobbying. Put in term limits. Make serving in congress similar to jury duty. You get called up, serve, and at the end of your term you get your old job back. During the service, you make very little, have all of your expenses paid and get free housing in DC.

I digress.
 
Quote from achilles28:

The US economy is a joke. The budget deficit is in paper decline because the Federal Reserve announced it will ramp up Treasury purchases by a meager half trillion (45 billion a month), for 2013. What about real estate? Fed will own that market too - 40 Billion in MBS purchases, every month.

Do the math, between the FED and the deficit, the total borrowing needed to sustain this weak ass economy at ~0% growth is 12.5% of GDP (2 Trillion / 16 Trillion). Listen up!!! This is important! Your Government is borrowing 12.5% of GDP - EVERY YEAR - to keep this economy at break-even.

Add in the fiscal multiplier (~1.6), and you've got a GDP shortfall of roughly 20%. Twenty-fucking-percent.

Where did 20 percent of our economy go? It went to China. And India. It built those countries.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-03/treasury-scarcity-to-grow-as-fed-buys-90-of-new-bonds.html

You are in Ontario right? I ask because as a dual citizen US/Canada I am thinking of bailing for Canada. People are nicer, economy seems better. Hell I wish Harper was our president he seems better than what we have here.

I remember you posted as the US goes so does Canada, but Canada still has a housing boom and UE doesn't seem as bad.

I am planning on going back to sales, currently I don't have the emotional makeup for day trading. I always made more in sales anyway. Sales and investing are where I did best.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

Why must it be all in or nothing? Can't there be middle ground?

Stop QE. Pass a balanced budget amendment, which includes massive tax reform. Put in a national sales tax (fair tax) instead of current stupidity. Put in incentives on corporate taxes for every job that is kept in the United States. Insist that if companies want to sell their products here, they have to have a certain number of jobs here dependent on industry.

End lobbying. Put in term limits. Make serving in congress similar to jury duty. You get called up, serve, and at the end of your term you get your old job back. During the service, you make very little, have all of your expenses paid and get free housing in DC.

I digress.

just for the sake of economic talk.. I was looking to engage conversation.

Isn't that the same thing as his second option.. except you added in some extra things..He said end all QE. you said that. end all bail outs and deficits. . you said that in the "balanced budget amendment"..

will you please elaborate on "Insist that if companies want to sell their products here, they have to have a certain number of jobs here dependent on industry"..
 
Interesting thoughts, with the exception of the Jury Duty analogy, but it's nothing more than a dream.

The Gov't wont spend within their means, the tax code is going to get more complicated, lobbying will continue, and jobs will keep heading to Chindia. You're forgetting who runs the country. It's not the President, nor Congress. It's the corporations. We don't live in a Capitalism society. We live in a Corporatism society.

http://www.chicagonow.com/make-no-l...talism-what-the-difference-means-for-chicago/

Quote from Tsing Tao:

Why must it be all in or nothing? Can't there be middle ground?

Stop QE. Pass a balanced budget amendment, which includes massive tax reform. Put in a national sales tax (fair tax) instead of current stupidity. Put in incentives on corporate taxes for every job that is kept in the United States. Insist that if companies want to sell their products here, they have to have a certain number of jobs here dependent on industry.

End lobbying. Put in term limits. Make serving in congress similar to jury duty. You get called up, serve, and at the end of your term you get your old job back. During the service, you make very little, have all of your expenses paid and get free housing in DC.

I digress.
 
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