FARK!!! North Korea Just Tested the Bomb

[mschey]

Quote from wareco:

Fortunately, in the US, we don't buy our Presidents, we only rent them. Can't wait for the lease to be up on it current one.

What don't you like about this one, the fact that most are likely worth more today then they were 4 years ago, the fact you are paying less taxes, or the fact that we havn't had another attack on American soil, because we are taking the fight to them?

 

[5Pillars]

Quote from wareco:

Fortunately, in the US, we don't buy our Presidents, we only rent them. Can't wait for the lease to be up on it current one.

I disagree...........someone else rents them, we do not even get to have our signature on the papers any more. We have been taken out of the loop many many decades ago.

 

[mahram]

losama bin ladin said he would strike at the heart of the US, he did, it was called 911, hitler said he would take over europe, he did

Quote from achilles28:

Khruschchev assured he would 'bury us'. Nothing happened.

Mao, according to your definition, was borderline psychotic - certifiably megalomaniacal. Nada.

There are trade offs to every option. A nuclear armed world would stop Americas war machine in its tracks.

The flip side - more nucs available = more likely someone will use them.

Both options aren't palatable. True.

But history has shown the principle of MAD is far more effective at keeping the peace than war itself.

 

[scriabinop23]

Quote from achilles28:

Only in the context of minor skirmishes, for instance, border disputes (India-Pakistan).

MAD scuttles any full frontal attack initiated by any country. And thats the important part.

Who's going to play nuclear brinkmanship??

when I mean short lived, I mean generationally. Once the WWII generation has passed, I wouldn't be surprised to see display of nuclear power once again.

We've been moderately lucky to have no Hitlers w/ nuclear powers around lately. I'm in bewilderment.

 

[achilles28]

Quote from trader28:

Uh huh... notice you didn't mention Hitler, gotta feeling we were pretty lucky he didn't have the capabilities

You just proved my point.

Hitler would have steamrolled the world with A-bombs if no one else had them.

Thats what America is doing right now in the Middle East. Except we're using conventional fire power.

 

[TorontoTrader2]

What about Iraq's WMDS?????

 

[trader28]

Quote from achilles28:

You just proved my point.

Hitler would have steamrolled the world with A-bombs if no one else had them.

Thats what America is doing right now in the Middle East. Except we're using conventional fire power.

And how is that different from everyone steam rolling right back at him... dont for a second think Hitler would have been dissuaded by anyone else having them, thats naive

 

[scriabinop23]

Quote from mschey:

What don't you like about this one, the fact that most are likely worth more today then they were 4 years ago, the fact you are paying less taxes, or the fact that we havn't had another attack on American soil, because we are taking the fight to them?

you've put the bait out, and my liberal ass just has to bite.

1) we haven't had another attack on American soil, but the causative logic is pretty weak for that argument. What if that is not their strategy to attack NOW? What happens if they are getting enough enjoyment out of ripping Iraq and US military a new asshole day by day instead?

2) Traveled in an airport today. 911's true effect was to transfer wealth to security related businesses and effectively create a modern day public works project (security related work), in addition to spend a massive amount on Iraq to prop up a languishing post tech bubble economy. I won't even get started on how all of this airport security actually does little to protect, since a truely motivated killer can easily still kill in airports, public places, or wherever he wants -- we've just made it harder for him to bring two bottles of chemicals on board of a plane and light himself on fire (in other words, kill people in one *Very* specific way).

3) US has fueled more hatred of our policy and culture through our actions, so just because the domestic death toll for 2001-2006 is very little, there are no guarantees for 2007 and beyond. Perhaps those numbers will dwarf 9/11 and have net effects that make our policies' effectiveness look silly.

I'll stop. Just couldn't resist.

 

[Buy1Sell2]

Quote from scriabinop23:

1)ridiculous

2)false

3)unbelievable

 

[trader28]

CNN basically blaming Bush and Cheney for including N Korea in the axis of evil and ruining relations with them leading to a break down of their agreement not to develop nuclear weapons... good ole George dubya, gotta provide business for all those weapons companies his family is invested in