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Say for the sake of argument, that blacks have lower IQ's on average.

Now prove that a low IQ causes criminal behavior in blacks.

ROTFLMAO....

Oh, and farewell, maybe like RM you will need 2 weeks to be restored to "sanity" sufficient to return to ET....

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You know, I'm going to reply to this, just to set the record straight one last time. Because I'm sure you believe you've scored some point with that last piece of drivel.

It is indisputable that whites score higher than blacks on IQ tests, and it is nigh on indisputable that IQ tests are predictive of socioeconomic outcomes, and there exists very compelling, scientific E V I D E N C E that the reasons for IQ differences are largely genetic and not environmental. You have shown no indication of an attempt to familiarize yourself with any of this. You have been content to simply throw your feet up and smugly attack me as "racist".

However, all this is a pertinent fact of the reality that we inhabit and, in my opinion, which I belive I'm permitted to have, the time has come to acknowledge it and address its implications in the most humane way possible. If that makes me a hateful racist, so be it.

Now, to the issue that strikes most people as the most disasteful, that of "superiority", all I can say is that it's possible to get over it. Like most people, I could not help but consider it manifestly unfair that such a large part of the script of our lives could be decided without our having any chance to alter it. But, that seems to be the way it is. And it's a damn shame that some people, by genetic happenstance, are readily identifiable as belonging to what, in the crudest terms, amounts to an "inferior" race, at least as far as intelligence is a measure of that determination. But at the end of the day, what people want is to have safe, secure, prosperous and healthy lives far more than they want to belong to some "master race". (And no, I certainly am not part of that race, if that admission can in some way alleviate the horrrors of what I am writing.)

I'll readily admit the following: that the black man - gasp - Thomas Sowell has intellect superior to my own; that my race, Slav (for the most part) is, by the same standard, inferior to Nordic Europeans and to Eastern Asians; that blacks are more virile and have larger muscles and - a crucial blow to my manhood - larger penises. But I couldn't give a shit about any of this. Moreso than a member of some race, I exist as an individual. And it's as an individual that I wish to strive to make the most of my life. At the end of the day, accepting reality for what it is and moving on is the best way I know to begin doing that.

And some further observations. Test this statement on yourself: most people, regardless of what their level of intelligence is, believe that it is sufficient, that they are "smart enough". Do you find it's true?

The reason we are appalled at the idea that IQ might be genetic is that we feel people with IQs lower than ours are somehow "robbed"; as much as we feel that our level of IQ is "enough", we feel that anything below it is "too little". Thus a 110 IQer will feel that he is smart enough, but will probably feel pity for a 90 IQer; the same way, a 150 IQer will certainly feel that he is smart enough, but would not like to be a 110 IQer. The point: people, beleive it or not, really are content to be who they are, as much as they might like to be someone else.

None of what I have said above is sufficient reason, of itself, to hate anybody, though that seems to be universally what this line of thinking is denounced for.

You ZZzz, I'm sorry to say, are a slimebal as close to being beyond salvation as any human can be. So I couldn't give a rat's ass what you think of me. But there are other members of this board that I respect, and I hope they find what I've outlined here has, at least in some small measure, exculpated me.

Other than that, a farewell to all. The only reason for my sudden return to this board has been illness from which I seem to have recovered, and thus I have no wish to waste any further time on this board. Especially not on the likes of a fiendish swine like ZZzz.
 
Vulgar flaming is germane to the discussion?

Too much.....

So much for enforcing the TOS....

Quote from Pabst:

Nah, I'm not going to delete any of this because I think it's germane to the free flowing discussion you two have established.

But Z, I do think the racism taunt was the equivalent of saying, "now go home Tommy and get your fucking shine box."

Frankly Z, the whine card that bullies like you and Pat Riley pull gets annoying. You're the first guy throwing the quick elbow and then complaining you don't get the calls.

Now Dan, I know Z taunts but you have to keep your cool. I realize you're an old school guy as I am (even though you're close to 40 years younger than Z) but you can't swear at other ET members. Particularly someone as prominent as Z61. So in the future, no more name calling or less there will be deletes.
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Say for the sake of argument, that blacks have lower IQ's on average.

Now prove that a low IQ causes criminal behavior in blacks.

ROTFLMAO....

Oh, and farewell, maybe like RM you will need 2 weeks to be restored to "sanity" sufficient to return to ET....

As far as I am aware it's well known fact that jail population has lower IQ scores than general population in average.
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:


Now prove that a low IQ causes criminal behavior in blacks.

Visit Detroit, NYC's black neighborhood, in fact any black neighborhood. You will find the proof there rapidly and suddenly.
 
How scientific of you.

I imagine that is how you learned your racism....

Quote from estrader:

Visit Detroit, NYC's black neighborhood, in fact any black neighborhood. You will find the proof there rapidly and suddenly.
 
Intelligence and culture is irrelevant in the big scheme of life, because the real game is survival. The reality is the human race is getting darker by the minute. As a result the demographics in North America, Australia, and Europe are changing dramatically.
 
I am amused by this thread. So far no one has said blacks are as smart as whites or asians. But we know that is not the liberal P.C. line of thought. Because we are not allowed to acknowledge differences in race or sex.

So I ask are blacks superior athletes to white. Lets start with a discussion with explosive movements in sports.

Are the races genetically different physically?

If not why do blacks seem to dominate the premier speed events in track. Why do they dominate the speed positions in American football.

Is there a genetic difference or is it cultural? Is it racist to say that blacks make better running backs in American football because of genetics? How many black guys move with grace and fludity and power of Michael Jordan. How many white guys. Do you think it is genetic. How many white guys have won an NBA dunking contest? How many white guys have won 100 meter races in top college or professional track? How many white guys have won speed events in Olympic track.

May we acknowledge physical differences? If not I think we need affrimative action for white guys in highly paid professional sports positions.
 
Quote from jem:

I am amused by this thread. So far no one has said blacks are as smart as whites or asians. But we know that is not the liberal P.C. line of thought. Because we are not allowed to acknowledge differences in race or sex.

So I ask are blacks superior athletes to white. Lets start with a discussion with explosive movements in sports.

Are the races genetically different physically?

If not why do blacks seem to dominate the premier speed events in track. Why do they dominate the speed positions in American football.

Is there a genetic difference or is it cultural? Is it racist to say that blacks make better running backs in American football because of genetics? How many black guys move with grace and fludity and power of Michael Jordan. How many white guys. Do you think it is genetic. How many white guys have won an NBA dunking contest? How many white guys have won 100 meter races in top college or professional track? How many white guys have won speed events in Olympic track.

May we acknowledge physical differences? If not I think we need affrimative action for white guys in highly paid professional sports positions.

This is a lame argument that has been used often. If you agree with this logic than you are conceding that blacks are physically superior to whites and asians are intellectually superior to whites. Are you sure you want to make this point?
 
The entire genetic arguments, are in my opinion as fully UnAmerican as you can get.

We preach equality, and that anyone can do anything with their life, through hard work, effort, determination, etc.

To suggest that the limits of potential of a member of a particular race lie in genetics, is a pathetic excuse, and as used by the racists to rationalize their feelings of superiority over others due to the color of their skin is unconscionable...

For those who use the athletic arguments, all you have to do is look to Larry Bird, a slow white guy who couldn't jump to understand that champions and championships are borne of heart and burning desire, not genetics....


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This is a lame argument that has been used often. If you agree with this logic than you are conceding that blacks are physically superior to whites and asians are intellectually superior to whites. Are you sure you want to make this point?
 
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