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Lame forum...and lame 'traders' who knows nothing about trading......................and ever mystery Jack who responds whenever ....................

fuck you too...................

LOL... is this Charlie Sheen ?
 
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Who makes surveying process?

There are many places in the linkages between your account and the market. Some are wilthin your broker's operation and others are "outside (regulatory and market operators.

For me, it has been colleagues of my account manager, assocted people at home offices of the brokerage, the operators of trading decsks and the SEC and the IRS. Today, in these times, IB's keep track of the performance of their clients and mostly concentrate on daily returns of the bigger accounts. there is some sampling of blocks size being tradered.

This information can come to you unexpectly in the form of phone calls where the phone number is the one listed on the account. Occasionally, deals are offered.

Recently I heard of a caller to one of my colleagues from as remote as another not traded market.

I would assume much is never known and, then, those people would be trying to reverse engineer or something. I think, from what I have heard that coattail trading is the major reason for the interst in the accounts.


Do you scale in or scale up, or both?

No, not directly. I constantly monitor my buying power to determine how many contracts are available for me to trade. I, like Jon Netto, for example, am all in. The principle I used for this is that the exponent of the compound interest formula is the most powerful variable in the formula.

You do not use limit orders,right?

Limit orders are only as good as where they are in the FIFO line up of limit orders. I use Market orders to be in front of all limit orders. This makes the spread on BBid/BAsk very inportant. As a rule, I only trade where there is liquidity and part of that is having the minimum spread in the market traded. This is easily measured by looking a the tick size on OTR charts.

My trading is according the the independent variable of markets which is event based Not time based. Since there are only two types of events, I do hold on "continue" type events and reversal on "change" type events. Each profit segment, in terms of events, beginns with change and the hold contniues with a series of uninterupted continue events and ends with a change event.


When point to point,LTL is more ''spikey'' on the short side,right?
Because, when the sentiment is long, RTL would be more ''spikey'', i think.

I can understand how your think from what you are saying. relating "spikeyness" to zones or regions of a chart is a good idea.

During a trend (long or short) enclosed by an RTL and an LTL involves sentiment on two levels: the over all sentiment of the trend and the setiment of each of the three moves within the trend. Note that these moves also have their personal rtl's and ltl's (I use lower case to differentiate the three moves within limits on each side of the move.

The best I can do is tell you where and when spikeyness occurs and when it doesn't. For lond trends the spikeyness is on the LTL turns. For short trends the spikeyness is on the LTL turns. Coming into the LTL the move is dominant meaning it is the same as the trend sentiment. Going away from the LTL the move is non dominant and the opposite of the trend sentiment. Dominant has an increasing volume character and non dominant has a decreasing volume character. The shift in dominance shows as a shift in volume behavior that is a big deal. Prices associated with this zone of volume character shift show up as spikeyness of price. As a consequence, the event of the volume character shift is measured as a leading indicator of price. I hopes this explanation makes things more explicit for you and your thinking.


And, do you use OTR as a pivot point?

Pivot points are determined by a CW formula. OTR is the name of a volume type price chart. I cannot make a connection between a formula and a type of price chart. Sorry.

Jack, if there wasn`t PRV, would it be any other possible substitution for it?

PRV's purpose is to call out the shift from the continuation event to the change event. You ask if PRV wasn't possible would there be something else to replace PRV and have the same purpose. There are many and their general description is the Holy Grail. I use 10 to 12 such signal generators. They are all listed, mostly as "tools" and always as code snippets. Monitoring and analysis of trends is the overlaying topic. This is NOT trend following which is a lagging and reactive CW orientation of the majority.

Take the tool DOM, for example. The signal generated is the WALL. A wall is a value on the DOM that cannot be consumed by T&S rate of trading before, on the opposite side of the market the ranked series of orders will be consummed. A WALL is a price value known in advance at which the price will approach and then reverse away from leaving a portion of the WALL's limit ordrs untraded and of no use to the person who placed the limit order in the FIFO list at a Wall price.

11 other examples I have posted can be found by searching. An example would be WIKI under MACD where, after I introduced the signal generator and its measure and WIKI then came into being, my commentary became the MACD citation in this new repository.


since I am 78 and have been trading an producing documents for 53 years, it just isn't possible for me to do the Details of every Q and A that comes along. I sought another alternative a suite of 5 books. At some point, the personal risks I am encountering eclipsed the possibility of giving away those books (The IRS has registered an objection as well since they have proven to themselves there must be an ulterior motive. They, among other items included all pages (over 100) of an ET thread under one of hypostomus's aliases as proof). So I gave up fighting city hall so to speak.
 
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since I am 78 and have been trading an producing documents for 53 years, it just isn't possible for me to do the Details of every Q and A that comes along. I sought another alternative a suite of 5 books. At some point, the personal risks I am encountering eclipsed the possibility of giving away those books (The IRS has registered an objection as well since they have proven to themselves there must be an ulterior motive. They, among other items included all pages (over 100) of an ET thread under one of hypostomus's aliases as proof). So I gave up fighting city hall so to speak.

Sure,Jack. I apologize for that stuff and nonsense i came up with.Also apologize to other participants who by chance read that moronic delirium..

If Mods deleted that crap i`d greatly appreciate
 
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I sought another alternative a suite of 5 books. At some point, the personal risks I am encountering eclipsed the possibility of giving away those books (The IRS has registered an objection as well since they have proven to themselves there must be an ulterior motive. They, among other items included all pages (over 100) of an ET thread under one of hypostomus's aliases as proof). So I gave up fighting city hall so to speak.

Tooooo bad..i just recently wanted to ask you to enqueue me for the suite:(

I`m gonna send my seagull for them
 
Quote from jack hershey:

Its neat to see so many people posting on trends and their containers. As has been reitierated by most: trend lines keep changing and only so often do you get one that works.

Certainly there is an answer that cures all these inaccuracies.

trends occur on all fractals cuncurrently. they build in a fixed ratio of 3:1.

Take the post of the person who did three parts to get a slower short; then he did three parts to get a long slower trend. But he enclosed the short and long with a heavy line that skipped drawing the RTL and LTL of what I just mentioned. Tthe ends of his bold line connect the wrong things together as a consequence.

none on this comes from annecdotal reasoning; deduction is used to get the singular pattern of trending in markets.

start with the finest size (ticks) and build your system from there.

On any chart adjacent bars allow you to build.

you find out two things in the process: You have to deal with the volatility changes in channels (trends).

All of this is in each poster's future if the reader reads and does what he is called upon to do (internally and not by me)

trends either accelerate or decelerate after the parallelogram is able to be drawn. Do VE's to accelerate and do fanning at "internals" to decelerate.

As another has said: FTT's are the name of the game. Trading on a given fractal is done from FTT to FTT.

The FTT is what ends a trend. A trend is there and annotated; you are in according to the RTL sentiment. You go in on the last FTT and then went through the BO of the RTL and on to point 2 of the parallelogram. Then from that peaking volume you went on hold to the trough of volume @ point 3 of the parallelogram which you then drew in order to see from point 3 the TREND FAIL TO TRAVERSE (FTT) to the LTL that you drew from point 2.

This is hold and reversal trading which no one here posting has graduated to as yet. You use edges and entry/exit trading and you predict and bet on your predictions. OODA trading. Trend monitoring and analysis precludes this silly practice.

Lets accelerate a trend on a VE of the LTL.

Move point 1 to point 3. Use the VE as point 2. Now look for the end of the trend at the FTT of the new container. Throw out the old container by non stationarity rules.

Lets take a look as an "internal" is appearing on a RTL. you have to slow down the trend at this point simce price is just meandering along the RTL on lower volumes. So fan the RTL from the point 1 where your hold began and duplicate (clone) the RTL and put it on the point 2 you are now ALREADY USING.

lets look back a bit. If you make trading trends out of ftt's on faster trends; then your trading on the slower trend is a snap and very free of fear, anxity, and anger. If you connect the FTT's of your trading trend you have a large outer trend container for your traverse trading from FTT to FTT (including the acceleration and deceleration adjustments.

THIS ALL CAN BE SO EASY IF YOU USE PRINCIPLES AND THEIR ORDER OF EVENTS.


BUT it will not happen for most of you. You will not take the time to follow my suggestions. You know you MUST and you will not.

most will continue to do the myth based annecdotal type hit or miss. some will nest fractals but skip and jump fractals in the process. All of you will continue to "take trades doing entry and exit.

will the day ever come when you figure out both entry and exit are the same but opposite things. I think not. YOU ARE JUST READING A LONG NONSENSICAL POST YOU WILL TRY AND TRY TO FORGET.

Jack,but what if you are already in?How can you slow down if you are in?You can either draw the clones to eternity until your potential profit evaporates.Where is the limit in drawing clones??
 
Oh Boy. I saw this thread come back up and I hesitated to check it-- could that old idiot be prattling on and on again with his gibberish and childish recollections peppered with nonsense talk... could we possibly be about to get another absurdest lecture that twitters out and ends without a stock pick.

Dear Jack you will forever be a piker. An old piker, who sits and dreams up stuff while others are actually working the market. I think when one is faced with the fact that they have no stock picking abilities they turn to " larger " questions like the general direction of the market and then still larger questions of past performance and why things happen in retrospect... never any forward thinking.

I showed this last bit of gobbligook laid here jack to some true traders, hedge fund traders who said it was like getting The New York Times a week late!

Let's cut to the wick you old tired man, shut up and give us three stock picks NOW.
Are you prepared for the challenge or will you shirk away in your wheelchair and roll over to some similarly inebriated poor soul and make up some big index cards?

JACK'S 3 TOP STOCK IDEAS BASED OFF HIS MAD METHODOLOGY OF ALWAYS TALKING AND NEVER BUYING ARE.....

1)

2)

3)

Fill in the blanks if you have the guts. I notice that your fear of committing funds to the market & actually trading something appears to be a fear you cannot overcome. I can help you with that.


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The is little chance that you will become converant with the category of traders aptly named by the owners of Tradr'sExpo, to wit: "Great Traders You Have Never Heard Of". Groups of four of such traders appeard at each Expo and were hosted by te owner of Expo for two hour sessions so they could interact to prepared questions, They always met at lunch before the session to determine the question set. One especially nice aspect of the sessions was the transition from the moderator introducing questions to a period where the experts jusat interacted among themselves by maintaining a high quality of discourse.....

Did you know that I was on that panel! Yup you were groveling and lapping up my " high " discourse and you didn't even know it. When you asked for my autograph I almost signed it stonedinvestor but I thought better at the last moment as you looked deranged and stank of urine.

You were trained in the art of " theoretical physics " and talk to quants on a collegial basis... Jesus Jack, why don't you just say you are a paper trader at 85!

It's time Jack for you to use your 65 years of experience watching others work the market to come up with your first three stock picks. This is truly a huge moment for us ET readers who have for so long put up with your crazy, I assume drunk rambling. the spotlight is finally on you Jack!

Give us those three stock picks so we can track your methodology better. Stop with the always looking back-- it's time for you Jack Hershey to grow the F up. ~ stoney
 
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