Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims.

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Just returning your serve.

Anytime you want to seriously, honestly, and openly discuss the issues, well that would be a first time for you...but I am open to reasonable discussion.

If all you want to do is sling, right back at you...
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What, returning my serve after I only returned one of yours? yea ...whatever.

I'm happy to seriously, honestly, and openly discuss the issues. But your track record being one of the most atrocious on ET against reasonable discussion, suggests it's not something you appear to be capable of maintaining, nor indeed intend to be particularly interested in.

Perhaps you consider that a sling, though it isn't intended to be.
 
Quote from jem:

you are a zealout.

I was giving examples of the difference between faith and fact. that is not proselytizing and a completely called for response... once your atheist buddy took the thread off target. the ad hom morphing came from an atheist, not me, making you the liar.

Note... the fanciful atheist demands proof the metaphysical... to admit there might be a God.

But thinks a digital copy found on the internet... counts as proof of natural born citizenship...

even though the president has not said it is his and its accurate
it is not the best document
it is not an original (which could be had from the source)
and the U.S. supreme court has not stated the definition of natural born citizen.
stu you have compromised your intellect to such a degree you are no longer worthy of response.
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You weren't asked to give examples of faith and fact.

The point being made was that you will blindly accept one thing with no evidence, no proof whatsoever, then reject another as a birther, that has proof, has bona fide legal evidence in the form of an official state certified birth certificate.

You are rejecting all of the hard evidence which is all that is required, turning your birther ideas into acts of faith,. possibly praying the Constitution gets changed.

From your post that started to morph the thread.....


  • " If I told you in the HI records dept was a bible and that in the bible it said the date of Jesus' birth and where he was born would you believe me or would you ask to see it?

    1. I have faith in God.
    2. The amazing fine tunings in the universe are evidence of design "


The "bible" has been seen. The HI record is in the public domain. Now your saying the bible is no good because it's not the original bible.
Any bible whether it is called short form , or original first of firsts form, whatever, is never going to convince a birther, who in the face of all the evidence whatever it may be, will remain the conspiracist they want to be.


Then you start with that intelligent design bullshit. There's the morph kicking in.... large.

Faith in conspiracies is like faith in God. You'll always find some dumb excuse to keep believing in them.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

That you're guilty of the same thing.
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No they are not the same.
Yours is unsolicited sniping in discussions that you aren't actively involved in.
Now it's selectively dissecting my posts in reply to ZZzz's slinging, is just essentially you doing more of the same.

You ignore all the flaws on one side just to make snide remarks against the other.
There's no substance in that.
 
Wow, talk about pot calling kettle black! You're accusing that guy of ignoring one side of the argument while it's the signature of the other one. You are being rather partial in your observation too sir.

Quote from stu:

No they are not the same.
Yours is unsolicited sniping in discussions that you aren't actively involved in.
Now it's selectively dissecting my posts in reply to ZZzz's slinging, is just essentially you doing more of the same.

You ignore all the flaws on one side just to make snide remarks against the other.
There's no substance in that.
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Quote from stu:

No they are not the same.
Yours is unsolicited sniping in discussions that you aren't actively involved in.
Now it's selectively dissecting my posts in reply to ZZzz's slinging, is just essentially you doing more of the same.

You ignore all the flaws on one side just to make snide remarks against the other.
There's no substance in that.
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Don't fall off your high horse Stewie
 
"Parsing out my responses to OptionalZZzzz revilements against me..."

Poor victim...and you preach atheism and die for our sins...

Quote from stu:

What's your point?
Parsing out my responses to OptionalZZzzz revilements against me, is nothing different from the sniping I'm saying is all you're indulging in anyway.
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So you are just an innocent victim merely defending yourself.

What is the most pathetic, is that you might actually believe such tripe...

In any case, I gave multiple examples of how a person can have both faith and doubt at the same time, to varying degrees...and you had no comeback...

I'll ask one question:

Does God exist?

Quote from stu:

What, returning my serve after I only returned one of yours? yea ...whatever.

I'm happy to seriously, honestly, and openly discuss the issues. But your track record being one of the most atrocious on ET against reasonable discussion, suggests it's not something you appear to be capable of maintaining, nor indeed intend to be particularly interested in.

Perhaps you consider that a sling, though it isn't intended to be.
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I would prefer those who can't actually make arguments keep their nose out of this.

I believe that strong arguments can be made to show the weakness of the atheistic position.

So if you have a strong argument, by all means.

If you just want to troll, please...there are plenty of other threads.
 
Stu you also confuse the difference between faith and fact.

You exhibit faith in Obama being a Natural Born Citizen.
I will not argue with your faith.

If you wish to state that as fact...
If l will point out why you are ignorant.
 
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