Evolutionists slip up...AGAIN.

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Is that a joke? Surely its not math or probability. Thats a pretty self serving anology, it is FAR more likely that in said scenario we would never see one flipper standing alone at the end of the game, or maybe one flipper remains but we have only had four or five tosses.

Evolution or not I just don't think the analogy fits. And its unfair for him to use it knowing people are so easily swayed.

There is not just one sturgeon "standing alone". You miss the point of the analogy if you stick on the number of coins. Besides, the shape of the sturgeon is like that of fossil sturgeons, but are they the same species? My gut feeling is that an ancient sturgeon, and the modern sturgeon, while closely resembling each other, would be unable to produce offspring.
 
Quote from Ricter:

...My gut feeling is that an ancient sturgeon, and the modern sturgeon, while closely resembling each other, would be unable to produce offspring.
The ancient one being past its prime and all. :D
 
Quote from maxpi:

Oh yeah, sure, it's complicated and should be left to experts... LOL

A whole T-Rex skeleton was found that was not fossilized.. tell me that some bones were preserved for millions of years with a straight face. Rocks that encase pressurized oil and gas can not hold the pressure for more than a few thousand years but oil was supposedly made millions of years ago??

Jeez, bring on some experts, let's see what we all can learn! LOL

Nobody can explain how a river formed the Grand Canyon with those steep sides either. Where are the experts on that?

Niagara Falls should have worked it's way to the North Pole by now too, where are the experts on that?

Amen Maxpi that proves Jesus did it. After all that is what all this is about, we don't know exactly how everything happened and we don't know exactly the history of everything ... Thus Jesus is real and Jesus made it. Amen and pass the donation plate.
 
Quote from PatternRec:

This is quite telling actually. Thank you for honestly divulging of your background.



Point taken. However, they are correct in the grand majority of cases when it comes to traders. Or I should say, the majority of traders failing is sort of a self fulfilling prophecy. That a few traders find a way to beat the odds does not make the academics wrong. It just means the academics need to adjust their theory to properly account for the anomalous few.



Just keep in mind that you're curve fitting "evidence" to support your interpretation of the Bible or Torah when in fact both books support alternate interpretations that actually validate evolution and an old universe/old earth.

Whereas in science, evidence dictates far more often than not. Of course there is an element of curve fitting. But that can only go on for so long because scientists are inevitably forced into a situation where things do fit properly along the curve.

I still recommend you take the time to not only learn about what biological evolution actually is and isn't, but now also recommend that you learn about radiological dating methods, and astronomy. Also that you take a harder look at Genesis. [/B]

No, not curve fitting, been there, done that, bought the tee shirt in the trading realm already... I'm pointing out that there is so much evidence that does not fit the world view of the "scientific" community that it makes them look ludicrous. They own the venue for the argument and are considered the experts so they get to say what is real and what is not. They can choose their battles and not deal with real, honest, objections to their belief system... they will, in fact, say things like "we've dealt with that" when in fact they have never, ever, provided a satisfactory argument at all...

I didn't say I was supporting any particular world view, I'm just saying that all the "scientific" world view that we are indoctrinated into nowadays is a big joke...

I put "Science" in quotes because it is a world view and it's not really scientific that much. It has the trappings of science, that's as close as it comes to being real science.. Nobody has created a universe, and had their methods peer reviewed. Nobody observed the origin of the Universe. Lacking either of those two things it's all speculation. So we examine the speculation to find the underpinning assumptions and wow, we find that the Geologic Column was invented by some joker nearly 200 years ago and it's "calibrated by the strata".. and on further inspection we find that the Strata is "calibrated by the Geologic Column"... then we really dig and find that radiologic readings are tossed out if they don't agree with that calibration. But calibration is defined as "comparison to a known standard".. there is no calibration at all, "scientists" take two speculations and compare them to validate the two. That would be a good speculative endeavor but the simple fact is, when the two don't match up, they ignore it or make further speculation about why... and then they absolutely throw tantrums when I simply tell them to stop telling me they are Science and I'm not....
 
Quote from Ricter:

To borrow from Paulos... a thought

If a thousand people flip a coin, and we ask all those who got tails (pun intended) to step aside, and then asked the remaining 500 or so to flip again, once again asking those who got tails to step aside, and continued this process until there was one guy left who has flipped heads every time, would we suspect his coin was flawed?

Suppose those 1000s people flipped those coins and nobody got tails. They did it again and again 100 times and not once did anyone get tails. Can we suspect the coin is flawed then?
 
Quote from maxpi:

Wooly Mammoths were found with food frozen in their stomachs. It would take a temperature 200 degrees below what a Mammoth can survive in to produce a quick freeze like that. What do the experts know that can explain a sudden 200 degree downward change in temperature?

An Air Force plane was abandoned in the Antarctic in WW2. Fifty years later it was recovered... they found it with ground penetrating radar and melted their way down through 280 feet of ice to get it.. what do the experts say about 280 added feet of ice in fifty years.. LOL
 
Quote from peilthetraveler:

Suppose those 1000s people flipped those coins and nobody got tails. They did it again and again 100 times and not once did anyone get tails. Can we suspect the coin is flawed then?

In that case the coins are different coins from what is assumed in the analogy I gave. The coins you mention are probably heads on both sides.

It's funny, your deity, your designer, is assumed to be so incredibly powerful, and yet you cannot accept that maybe He created the laws of physics in the first place, and set in motion a dance between chance and those laws that He knew would give rise to man. Nope, for you, all creation had to have been made by nothing more than the wave of His hand.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

Amen Maxpi that proves Jesus did it. After all that is what all this is about, we don't know exactly how everything happened and we don't know exactly the history of everything ... Thus Jesus is real and Jesus made it. Amen and pass the donation plate.


:D

+1
 
Man is metaphysical and proud. He has gone so far as to think that the idealistic creations of his mind, which correspond to his feelings, also represent reality.

They do not.

:D
 
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