es profit on 1/4 point can it be done?

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Just an additional warning to you:

In liquid markets like ES, a few contracts won't show up on anyone's radar. But there are quite a few markets where even a handful of contracts/shares will provoke a reaction -- meaning, you will find yourself buying the relative high and selling out the relative low far more often than that which "random" movement would mathematically imply. If you think all you need to beat is spread, commissions and a 50/50 coin flip, think again.
 
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I don't know, i barely even watch equities, but stuff like that changes alot. A year and a half ago and some times in between crude was a great indicator for ES, now something else is probably leading the way.

Something else you'll come to realize if you follow this far enough....prices matter less when your scalping in this way, you're looking at orders and trying to figure out whats real. If 1330.0 bid on 1000 comes in and for whatever reason you know its legit, you might be buying 30.25's just because you know its gonna take alot of selling to get through that order and before it does you'll probably be able to get off 30.50's. But you're damn sure not gonna miss the evens. Learning to lean on specific orders and stuff like that is what a mentor is vital for.

As well, to be successful your gonna have to forget the idea of a .25 stop. Forget stops they're not for scalping. You have to be good enough so that your losers are scratches, and taking a 1/4 tick loss is what happens when a trade goes absolutley dogshit. To do that you're gonna have to figure out how to price orders well...when is somebody offering something that you know is about to go bid hard? When is somebody on the bid and they need to buy bad enough that they're gonna have to start lifting the offer? Where have the resting orders been all day? Say we've been in a range all day suddenly ES gets sold a handle and everybody gets nervous, but your watching your indicators and know this selling is probably one guy/house getting out of something, cause nothing else moved...you gotta be the guy that takes the offer on the ES right as the rest of the locals are geeked out because you know w/ where the rest of the markets are, there's no way ES should be offered....and then if you lift the offer on 10 lots, it goes bid 20 times and thats it, you gotta be ready to hit the bid immediately for your scratch. Or if it goes bid a couple hundred times your leaning there waiting to sell higher.

There's ALOT involved in this style, thats why I say its incredibly difficult to learn on your own. Thats not even including the other overhead...fast enough execution, being able to call the floor/broker to get out of shit gone wrong fast....a great newsfeed....remember a few months ago it was a quiet afternoon and suddenly markets went crazy because maria bariromo said she had an exclusive with bernanke? How would you like to have 100 lots on and suddenly its in your face a few points and you don't even know why? Stuff like that is a scalpers nightmare. Just a week or two ago something came out about a fire in Philly and markets shook a bit cause we didn't know if it was terror related...I don't know how much es moved but even something that stupid, if it drops 1/2 and your long and don't know whats going on, your week is done.


I now realize how important a mentor is and how fragile my "system" really is.:( Thaks for the enlightenment.
 
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Just an additional warning to you:

In liquid markets like ES, a few contracts won't show up on anyone's radar. But there are quite a few markets where even a handful of contracts/shares will provoke a reaction -- meaning, you will find yourself buying the relative high and selling out the relative low far more often than that which "random" movement would mathematically imply. If you think all you need to beat is spread, commissions and a 50/50 coin flip, think again.



:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( You are killing me here.
 
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On the side note I have difficulties understanding some of your your posts. Could you please be a bit more articulate in the future. (no disrespect of course)

:D

Well, because you dont have real market experience yet. Once you get real market experience, you will understand what me and everyone else was trying to tell you.
 
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Well, because you dont have real market experience yet. Once you get real market experience, you will understand what me and everyone else was trying to tell you.


Correction. I understand everyone else BUT you. :D
 
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May I suggest a bag of potato chips. I never figure it out why but they are super expensive down under ($4 a bag).
:confused:

Btw. My wife asks how All Blacks are doing (her favorite kiwi team)?

Well chips are like stocks... you have to know which ones to pick to get a bargain

And the all blacks are a New Zealand rugby league team

I'm an aussie that follows Aussie rules football so.... couldn't give a fat rats clacker about the all blacks
 
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Well chips are like stocks... you have to know which ones to pick to get a bargain

And the all blacks are a New Zealand rugby league team

I'm an aussie that follows Aussie rules football so.... couldn't give a fat rats clacker about the all blacks



Chips many times are like stock, they could be hazardous to your health for example.

I knwo that ALL Blacks are fom kiwi, however, I figured out since you are nearby you might know some info on them. Here in States there is nothing on tele regarding sports in NZ.

I am sorry that you got so uptight about All Blacks, I will not mention them again. Seems lliek it gets your blood boiled just a bit. (Nevertheless, they are great team and you should check them out sometime in the future).

Since All Black have been blacked out. How about the QUADS? Are they still on tele in AUS? (I know it is a Canadian series so go easy on me here).

Now I know you are definitely not from Adelaide:D :p
 
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I knwo that ALL Blacks are fom kiwi, however, I figured out since you are nearby you might know some info on them.

Well yeah nearby... if you dont count the ocean between us and the thousands of miles... not to mention the differences in culture and time zone.... but yeah apart from that really close
 
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