Elderly Americans Soon Eating Cat food due to high energy/food prices

Quote from Ivanovich:

All the more reason to hit the speculators. A true sin that the elderly have to suffer (along with the rest of us) so that speculators can profit from higher oil prices.

So in your view $900 Gold, $13 Soybeans, $10 Wheat and $90 Oil are at those prices because of speculation rather than a weak dollar and strong demand?
 
I think it's primarily due to speculation partly because of a weak dollar. But out of all of these in the group you mentioned, only oil is a "need". The rest are not necessities, and therefore the speculation isn't really hurting the general public.
 
Quote from full throttle:

Good for you. Did you avail yourself of every tax credit on your way up? What of those that tried but failed for whatever reason? Let them starve? Live on the street? Steal from you? Let them no choice and they will act like animals to survive. Do you want lower crime? We must make place to care of the poor, the infirmed, the sick, the starving.. those that for whatever reason find themselves w/o resource to live and survive. Would you turn your nose up at a starving dog? Get real man. Do you really place money over humanity?

I am a white male, I get no tax credits-no my friend, I am in that group that PAYS all the taxes. But to answer your question, I joined the military and did my duty and got myself set up straight in the process.

Don't be stupid, read my posts and see that I donate a large portion of my time and money to various charities such as the humane society, etc. Another thing I do is leave (relatively) very large tips to people who did a good job whether it's a hair cut or service at a meal. I try to help those who are trying to help themselves, and those who cannot help themselves. That is called honor and chivalry. However 80% of the people who are claiming disability and receiving welfare are full of shit and lazy. Sorry but that's reality.

Say what you want about me, yet another person who pops up with next to zero posts to attack me. Get over it and face reality. You know a guy named doginponyshow by any chance? lol
 
Quote from the4xczar:

Reaver, I've read some of your posts and agree with some things that you say - just not so much this topic. When I say there's a "terror premium" in the current price of oil, I'm not saying that if that one component didn't exist, we would return to $25/barrel. If anything, I think the reason for the dramatic increase in the price of oil is a combination of potential instability in the Middle East and supply/demand. I also don't believe that we caused the instability, we had to take action to prevent another 9/11. Sitting back and doing nothing after the 1993 WTC bombing didn't work out too well.

I see your point, and I do agree with what you're saying. I don't think I fully grasped what you were talking about at first, which was my mistake, but yes, it's definitely a combination of the different factors....some are legitimate, many are corrupt.
 
Quote from full throttle:

no, what we need are reasonable welfare/entitlement programs. Not everyone is a genius millionaire trader like you. There is always going to be a proportion of the population that needs additional help in their lives. Humane policy dictates that we take into consideration their special needs and spend accordingly.

Bullshit, 90% of them have families and they get the old folks to scam off the government... ask an old timer that runs a food giveaway ministry, I did just that, he told me that with 90% of them scamming welfare/entitlements/food ministries is a way of life... if you want to score brownie points with God by giving away to the poor, do it with your own money, otherwise it doesn't count!!
 
Quote from maxpi:

Bullshit, 90% of them have families and they get the old folks to scam off the government... ask an old timer that runs a food giveaway ministry, I did just that, he told me that with 90% of them scamming welfare/entitlements/food ministries is a way of life... if you want to score brownie points with God by giving away to the poor, do it with your own money, otherwise it doesn't count!!

ha ha exactly!
 
Quote from Ivanovich:

I think it's primarily due to speculation partly because of a weak dollar. But out of all of these in the group you mentioned, only oil is a "need". The rest are not necessities, and therefore the speculation isn't really hurting the general public.

Eating isn't a "need"? Bigger than oil my friend. I can always ride a subway but I need to eat a subway.

Just so you know there's position limits in Crude futures.
 
Just let old people die peacefully, I say. Good riddance to old farts. Gumming up the aisles on airplanes. Weaving across lanes in their 15 year old Crown Victorias. Flatulating everywhere. If they can't trade for retirement, let their options expire worthless. Most of them are such disagreeable old bastards that we're better off without them. At least when they starve to death they dessicate and don't smell.
 
Quote from Ivanovich:

I mentioned it, but as a start. The idea is to make speculating in crude (or energy as a whole) not profitable at higher levels. If you make it unprofitable, then speculators will move on to something more profitable. Again, it's not a perfect solution, other things would have to be done.

Where is your evidence that high oil prices are caused primarily by speculation? As opposed to the long-term supply/demand picture for oil.

Just consider the obvious facts - oil prices have been low for 2 decades, disincentivising exploration and production. There have been no truly major oil discoveries for ages. It is only fairly recently that high cost producers e.g. the Canadian oil sands companies have started coming on tap. That seems to indicate a long-term supply problem. And look at the demand side - China, India, Brazil, Russia, Eastern Europe, Asia all have much greater wealth and thus demand for oil than they did 10 years ago. That trend shows no sign of abating.

There were plenty of oil speculators around in 1998 and 1980 - that didn't stop the price collapsing. But the fundamental supply/demand factors I mentioned are *new* - they weren't there 10 years ago. Even 4-5 years ago they were far less important than now.

So, given that several major supply/demand fundamentals have all shifted in a few years in a very bullish way for oil prices, why do you identify speculation as the primary driver of higher prices, rather than the fundies? You can't make that claim and expect to be viewed as anything other than a crackpot unless you provide some solid evidence to back it up.
 
Quote from hypostomus:

Just let old people die peacefully, I say. Good riddance to old farts. Gumming up the aisles on airplanes. Weaving across lanes in their 15 year old Crown Victorias. Flatulating everywhere. If they can't trade for retirement, let their options expire worthless. Most of them are such disagreeable old bastards that we're better off without them.

No man, I didn't mean anything I said like that- I mean, my grandparents are old people :p . I would do anything for them. Too bad human nature corrupts and ruins any efforts to help those that truly need it.

It just really sucks that there are so many who game the system and rip us off to the point we become bitter about helping those who need it. It just seems like there's no viable way to do it without being totally scammed.
 
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