Downloading Music

[coinz]

Copyright protection laws were NOT written for people who SHARE.

People can share ANYTHING - there's nothing wrong with that.

The artists are a bunch of cocky jerks anyway, so let them go broke.

If they produced anything worthwhile it would naturally be unable to be lessened in value, as they say file sharing lessens the value of the song/CD/artist.

I say, BAH!

 

[Fafrnugn]

Quote from damir00:
copyright doesn't protect creators, it protects distributors of creation.

Creators are compensated by distrubutors for access to that copyright, therefore copyright protects both interests.

 

[damir00]

Quote from Fafrnugn:

Creators are compensated by distrubutors for access to that copyright...

not in the music biz they're not, unless they're megastars. do you know how those columbia house/BMG "8 CDs for a penny" plans work? they take out the royalties and pay the creator nothing. in fact, they *charge* the artist's account by declaring the sales as "promotional material". :eek: signing up with columbia house is far more stealing from the artist than is downloading music - at least the artist doesn't get a bill when someone shares a song.

i have songs on iTMS ( the major online music store, run by Apple). i didn't put them there, my label did. and my label gets the proceeds of the sales - i and my buddies who created the music - we get nothing - and will never ever get anything.

if you want to support artists, buy tickets to live shows.

 

[Fafrnugn]

Quote from coinz:
Payment should be voluntary.

Payment is voluntary; music, movies and software are not staples like food or shelter, you can survive without them. Downloading the latest Liberace disc or version of Windows is not analogous to stealing a loaf of bread to feed your starving family.

Quote from coinz:
Do you not get ripped off by the artist that way?

The market has set the value of that artist's work, your personal views on the quality of that work are irrelevant. Just because you feel that the market has overvalued that work doesn't give you the right to take it without compensation.

 

[Fafrnugn]

Quote from damir00:
not in the music biz they're not, unless they're megastars.

Initially, it's distribution that puts up all the money for recording, promotion, etc. It would be a pretty lousy business model if there wasn't a mechanism to recoup that investment.

Quote from damir00:
if you want to support artists, buy tickets to live shows.

That's great, now what about software developers and filmmakers? Planning on catching Bill Gates at this year's Ozzfest?

 

[Hawker]

Quote from damir00:

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if you want to support artists, buy tickets to live shows.

Very well said Damir !!

As in trading music business is a learning process for the newcomers.. Actually many good artist are spoiled in the process if they don't have the right advisory and attorney support about publishing deals, distribution and merchandising !

Selling music is nothing cooler than selling soap boxes for the big guys.. no so for the artist !!

So I agree to protect copyrights as long as those royalties are going to the pockets they should go... the creators.

And yes , I've been through the process.

 

[newtoet]

Quote from newtoet:

I used to "illegally" swap and download music on IMesh, but have quit out of fear.

Does anyone have input into the best download site that is not illegal - I know Apple has a pretty good selection and charges .99/song. Is there anything better - either from a price or selection standpoint?

Thanks for the input.

Uhhh - this was the original question.

 

[damir00]

Quote from Fafrnugn:

Initially, it's distribution that puts up all the money for recording, promotion, etc.

exactly. the costs of buying a CD have nothing to do with the costs of creating music, they are about the cost of putting music into a distributable form. if you want more of your entertainment dollar to go towards the actual creation of music, buy a ticket, because buying a CD at amazon will do sweet FA for the vast majority of artists.

and anybody who belongs to Columbia House and bitches about downloading is a hypocrite, plain and simply.

 

[Fafrnugn]

Quote from newtoet:
Uhhh - this was the original question.

ITunes is the one to beat, both for size of catalog and speed of download. ~70% market share is usually a good sign that you're doing something right.

Napster 2.0 is crap. The search engine is crap. I only use it if I absolutely can't find what I want on ITunes.

I'm interested in checking out Microsoft's 'Loudeye', although I prefer MP3s to crippled WMAs and I expect they'll mostly offer the latter.

 

[Hawker]

Quote from newtoet:

I used to "illegally" swap and download music on IMesh, but have quit out of fear.

Does anyone have input into the best download site that is not illegal -

Try this one www.rhapsody.com (79cts/song ) with a monthly subscription of $9.95 and wash out your guilty feelings !