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Come one man this is not a propaganda. This has been written by Israelis soldiers themselves. Yes even Israelis do not accpet what is done in tehir name and they have the courage to say it...
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Come on man? sheesh.

You miss the point (as usual, probably on purpose).
Your comments are anti American & anti Western . I don’t control the order in which posts arrive on the board. You assume a lot of things
If you don't stop ignoring specific responses and just continue to selectively spew up cut & paste and ALWAYS "america is wrong" stuff how the hell do you expect any respect to be attached by others to whatever views you have.

Shall I now call you an arrogant, racist nazi? Or shall I simply ignore all your responses and just keep posting America is great America is all powerful when you put up this America did that America is fascist stuff.

If you can't see any of this and more especially, that which RS7 & Option have referred to then there is no debate. Then you just want to argue pointlessly. But I now know that anyway by the way you react. That’s why I say you have lost credibility. Your argument is invalid until or unless you can understand simple reason

Wild, I take it that was a rhetorical question.
 
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51% of the people in the US did NOT vote for Bush. More voted for Gore. But it makes no difference. We have an old law that made that possible, and so far nothing has been done to change that. The law made a lot of sense when it was written. Little sense now. But of course there can be arguments to keep that law for reasons having to do with statehood, etc. Nothing I care about, and hopefully nothing that will matter again.
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The U.S. was founded as a collection of states, however much that system has been corrupted. There are excellent reasons for that - I can't hope to argue them better than the founding fathers themselves - I recommend starting with the Federalist Papers for some terrific (but lengthy) perspective on that (they're all online :)).

Today, it is still very important: if not for the Electoral College, then a US president could be elected by the voters of just 5 or 6 states - CA, NY, FL, TX, IL, OH (approximately).

To a large degree, people of the other 45 states could be effectively ignored by campaigns and media, their concerns as well, and representatives of the largest states would have that much more power (campaigns, funding, taxation, etc).

Notice that those most vocally in favor of a new system are democrats and/or representatives from those 5 largest, heavily-democrat states ("hillary," schumer, gore, etc.) -- that is no coincidence.
 
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Propaganda? Gee this seems pretty even keeled and objective to me:confused:

To Quote from the site:
I was born and raised in America and I’ve lived in this goddamned soulless nation of venal whores all my life.

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Doesn't that guy live in Vegas and work for Don Bright?
 
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Love that guy's site.

He should move to China and feel free to take a similar hatchet to the Chinese government.

What a shock that Wild should know all the anti-American sites.

Top of your favoites list, eh?
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Ahaa... I thought I recognised the name but couldn't recall the events. Option777 - milk box printer and Option777- the Ralph Nader of the trading world. AND defender of all that's good in the FREE world !!
A multi talented operator indeed
Obviously I don't know my way around this place at all well. That Wild seemed like a nice sort. Suckered Again

:D :D
 
The thing is america is a democracy and applies democratic principles there is no question about that. And I would be a liar if I said the contrary. However, the aim of some businessmen are greater than the democratic principles they should apply. Therefore the killings of millions because of oil or strategic moves is accepted because these guys are not like us they are black arab yellow... etc..

Now very easy to say to an asian go back to China and go back to your country. What you forgot is that thanks to the grand father of thois person you have your railways and you have many things that the white man did not want to do.

So because one insurges against the criminal doings of the USA governement outside its country does not mean he is anti american anti democracy anti western.

Stu, My grand father fought during the second world war and was a hero. Saying I am anti west is just purely stupid. I am anti what is done in the name of civilization and is for my beliefs and values certainly anti civilization.
 
“...the rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious.

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly — it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”

— Joseph Goebbels
Nazi Propaganda Minister



This is exactely why Bush keeps on repeating like a moron Saddam must disarm. He certainly read Goebbels :)
 
Not to go into too much detail, as it is not important, but I grew up in a politically active household.

My father was in a position to influence public opinion, and indeed he did influence public opinion.

Those he influenced rarely responded. They just listened, thought through what was being said, and came to their own conclusions as to the most reasonable response to the political events.

Those who did respond most frequently, were extremists.

Those on the left spoke ill of the right.

Those on the right condemned the left.

Both sides of the extreme were "intellectuals" in the sense that they were well read and well spoken, well versed in the skills of sophistry, equivocation, and duplicity.

However, their bias was always obvious. They reasoned from conclusion to argument, not the reverse. Their minds were as made up as Tammy Fay Baker's face.

All they really wanted to do was have an audience to be pompous about their opinions, to boast some kind of intellectual superiority.

They argued to win, not to reach the truth, as they were convinced that they had a lock on truth.

I see that a lot in the Forum.

There is a difference between dialogue with an open mind, and what is happening here.

People love to hear themselves talk, or see themselves in print.
 
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