Dont Defund Them...But Drain and Reform the Police

[DiceAreCast]

That is definitely more likely than that

A) the time the guy went to work it was nice and warm and sunny
B) within the course of one work shift it went from t-shirt temps to snow storm (contradicted by the weather condition as it in fact happened)
C) the guy obviously was not known to the person who reported on him, hence this was not his daily routine to walk through that neighborhood , so maybe his car broke down which is why he had to walk?
D) he decides to shoot up or stop by at the corner store or bar for a few shots in the snow storm, wearing tshirts, before walking home?
E) He thought it was the safest and coolest course of action to ignore police addressing him and instead just walking on. That's how we should all behave towards cops from now?

Quite the circumstances this guy found himself in. Or perhaps he did have other intentions?

But there was a probability that he had just broke into someone's home and killed them on his way home from "work" and had to take off his bloody coat and leave it at the scene.

 

[DiceAreCast]

Who said detain?

Here again:

Yep because all guys in the dark who wear tshirts in a snow storm and are under the influence are trustworthy of what they are saying right?

So, no, what I would have done is stop, answer the cops' question and if that took longer than 30 seconds I would have asked whether I can sit in the cruiser as it is very cold. That is what I think every rational person would have done, white black or yellow or brown. I am 99% sure that if my story checked out the cops would have actually driven me home right after.

By the way, did you see every single hand move and body moment of the guy right before he was "handled". You can say with absolute certainty that that guy followed the instructions of the cops to the dot? The cops just did what they did without the slightest provocation or other issue? Because I did not see everything in that video. It was dark, the cam flew around, but pls point me to the moment where out of nowhere the cops just detailed him.

Detain him based on what? He didn't look right in the neighborhood? He didn't seem appropriately dressed? He was deemed to be intoxicated without a sobriety test or breath/blood diagnostic?

Horseshit pal.

They would not have detained me. Take a guess why.

 

[Snarkhund]

Who said detain?

Here again:

Yep because all guys in the dark who wear tshirts in a snow storm and are under the influence are trustworthy of what they are saying right?

So, no, what I would have done is stop, answer the cops' question and if that took longer than 30 seconds I would have asked whether I can sit in the cruiser as it is very cold. That is what I think every rational person would have done, white black or yellow or brown. I am 99% sure that if my story checked out the cops would have actually driven me home right after.

The "requirement" to show identification on demand with no probable cause simply because you are a pedestrian is going to stop.

I won't comply with it either though of course I would never be subject to it. Half of the time down here I'm in shorts and flipflops and only carrying my black plastic lol.

Seriously this is going to stop or the cops won't have a living soul left in this country who supports them.

 

[DiceAreCast]

That is not how it played out. They only asked him questions and he condescending walked away from them and refused to talk to them at all. If that is not suspicious behavior in this specific context then I don't know what is.

Perhaps half don't support them but they have not in a long time already. The other half stands behind cops. You know, in my book the biggest asshole move is this virtue signaling and sudden invoking our rights and freedoms simply when a cop wants to ask some questions. This "I know my rights and I don't have to tell you shit" attitude. This is a spit in the face of anyone who dutifully does his work. And if we want to address some bad apples then hey, let's do that. But let's do it by not prohibiting cops to do their basic job. They should be allowed to ask simple questions when someone walks in a t-shirt during a snowstorm in the dark and appears intoxicated and walks through a neighborhood that clearly is not his. I want cops to ask questions in such situation and they have every right. Walking away from that makes a person suspicious. They did not ask for his social or bank account number. They asked what is going on. He basically showed them the middle finger and told them to fuck off. People like this I don't want walking through my neighborhood and I would call the cops on such asocial fucks any time of day.

The "requirement" to show identification on demand with no probable cause simply because you are a pedestrian is going to stop.

I won't comply with it either though of course I would never be subject to it. Half of the time down here I'm in shorts and flipflops and only carrying my black plastic lol.

Seriously this is going to stop or the cops won't have a living soul left in this country who supports them.

 

[FortuneTeller]

That is not how it played out. They only asked him questions and he condescending walked away from them and refused to talk to them at all. If that is not suspicious behavior in this specific context then I don't know what is.

Perhaps half don't support them but they have not in a long time already. The other half stands behind cops. You know, in my book the biggest asshole move is this virtue signaling and sudden invoking our rights and freedoms simply when a cop wants to ask some questions. This "I know my rights and I don't have to tell you shit" attitude. This is a spit in the face of anyone who dutifully does his work. And if we want to address some bad apples then hey, let's do that. But let's do it by not prohibiting cops to do their basic job. They should be allowed to ask simple questions when someone walks in a t-shirt during a snowstorm in the dark and appears intoxicated and walks through a neighborhood that clearly is not his. I want cops to ask questions in such situation and they have every right. Walking away from that makes a person suspicious. They did not ask for his social or bank account number. They asked what is going on. He basically showed them the middle finger and told them to fuck off. People like this I don't want walking through my neighborhood and I would call the cops on such asocial fucks any time of day.

Exactly. He should of stopped and talked to the Police so he didn't look so suspicious.

 

[DiceAreCast]

And if he did was on his way back home they would have driven him home in a warm cruiser. Instead he had to be the asshole he was and refused to even engage with them. Cops are useless if they can't even ask questions anymore.

Exactly. He should of stopped and talked to the Police so he didn't look so suspicious.

 

[Snarkhund]

And if he did was on his way back home they would have driven him home in a warm cruiser. Instead he had to be the asshole he was and refused to even engage with them. Cops are useless if they can't even ask questions anymore.

No probable cause... .no detention or perturbation of his travel. Period full stop.

 

[DiceAreCast]

What are you rambling about detention? Nobody is suggesting that. We both probably agree that there is a line that constitutes probable cause to ask questions right? Or are you saying that anyone who did not do anything illegal regardless of circumstances should ever be asked a question by a cop?

This guy made himself suspicious the second he refused to answer a simple question by cops and walked away from them. The same idiot that was stopped in a car and refuses to show any identification when asked for. I lose none of my liberties and freedoms stopping and answering a question by cops.

Here a story from own experience:

3 months ago a cop Rang my doorbell. A cruiser was parked in front of my house. The cop stated that an apple laptop was reported stolen from a coffee shop and a tracking device lead to my address. He wanted to know whether I had that laptop. I asked him for his identification which he immediately showed me. I said I don't have any stolen laptop and I was never at that coffee shop and that I don't have a single apple device in my home and that we was welcome to come inside to check it out. He said he did not have to. He asked me for my name and phone number. I happily gave it to him and he asked me about the neighbors. I told him I don't know much about the neighbors as I moved recently. He thanked me and left. End of story. Never heard back. This is how people people behave who have done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide. I am sure the story would have ended differently had I refused to speak with him and slammed the door into his face.

No probable cause... .no detention or perturbation of his travel. Period full stop.

 

[Snarkhund]

What are you rambling about detention? Nobody is suggesting that. We both probably agree that there is a line that constitutes probable cause to ask questions right? Or are you saying that anyone who did not do anything illegal regardless of circumstances should ever be asked a question by a cop?

This guy made himself suspicious the second he refused to answer a simple question by cops and walked away from them. The same idiot that was stopped in a car and refuses to show any identification when asked for. I lose none of my liberties and freedoms stopping and answering a question by cops.

There is no law requiring interaction. There is no law compelling me to answer ANY questions unless....

... I match the description from a local crime or I am recognized as someone having active warrants or I am exhibiting firearms or contraband or I am exhibiting abberant behavior or falling-down intoxication.

Short of those conditions, fuck off.

 

[DiceAreCast]

By law perhaps. But I am an upstanding citizen and look at police as my protection and neighborhood watch. I have nothing to hide and hence it is in my interest to not arise any suspicion. So, we need to disagree on this one. In my book the cops did nothing wrong asking questions. I expect to be stopped and be asked questions had I walked in a t-shirt in the middle of the night during a snow storm through a neighborhood that is not my own and appear intoxicated. And I am sure the vast majority, whether white or of other color, see it the same way. If cops are so racist by majority how come hardly any Asians get asked those questions? Perhaps it's not the skin color but the behavior of certain people that raises questions and suspicions?

"... I match the description from a local crime or I am recognized as someone having active warrants or I am exhibiting firearms or contraband or I am exhibiting abberant behavior or falling-down intoxication."

The only way such as you stated can be confirmed is by asking questions of someone who behaves strangely in a place he does not belong and dresses and acts in a way that raises suspicion. The cops have done nothing wrong up to the point where the altercation unfolded. And then the body cams alone don't allow for solid conclusions either.

There is no law requiring interaction. There is no law compelling me to answer ANY questions unless....

... I match the description from a local crime or I am recognized as someone having active warrants or I am exhibiting firearms or contraband or I am exhibiting abberant behavior or falling-down intoxication.

Short of those conditions, fuck off.