Donald, This I Will Tell You

[Cuddles]

I blame the repeal failure on the feet of the GOP, not Trump. They've had all this time to have a replacement ready, but they didn't because they have no idea what to do in order to replace it. All they know is to find a camera and talk down Obamacare, but when their bluff is called - oops.

It's the proverbial dog that chases the car, but once catching it, sits there and has no idea what to do.

I'll agree it was Republicans more than Trump. Trump just gave it his seal of approval and then tried to distance himself once his name was attached to it and the poll numbers came in. But he's got to own it, because, let's face it, it's not like Obama wrote the 1000 page bill either (though I don't doubt he oversaw much of it).

It's just ridiculous these guys had nothing and it was so blatantly transparent that it was politics because obama passed it. Basically the same thing as closing Benghazi investigation a month after they got their guy in.

 

[fhl]

For an example of stupidity on this site, I note the following post on here :



How this gets you better health care I have no idea. I've never expressed an opinion on trump/russia in my life, but I'm not sure that reality and facts matter to this "fhl" joker anways.

It was an allegory, designed to show just what an imbecilic remark you made about obamacare not being obamacare.

I'll note for the future that you don't have the intelligence required to understand symbolism and i'll try to dumb it down enough for an illiterate canadian to understand in the future.

 

[Nine_Ender]

Wow you are defensive. News flash! The Canadian system is near bankrupt
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...res-what-will-happen-when-interest-rates-rise
Your left government is giving away your tax dollars to poor immigrants. Look at bramgladesh just north west of Toronto for example. Aka Brampton long ago. Most Canadians can't even afford a house in major cities and need to move 100+ miles north of cities. I can go on but it'll burst your great white north myth, dream on and pull that toque on a little tighter. lol

Believe what you want, you just seem delusional at this point.

 

[piezoe]

Not Romney, not Heritage... not Baucus who Obama chose... but Obama himself sold us out.

Obama and the Sentate democrats sold us out. How many fricken times are you going to try and rewrite history Piezoe.


The option was also omitted from the president’s proposal, Principles for Health Reform, released 22 February 2010 prior to a bipartisan health care summit. Likewise, it was not present in the budget reconciliation bill passed by the House and Senate and signed into law by President Obama in March 2010.


http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/29/6/1117.full


Senate Democrats were engaged in a highly contentious debate throughout the fall of 2009, and the political life of the public option changed almost daily. The debate reached a critical impasse in November 2009, when Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT), who usually caucuses with the Democrats, threatened to filibuster the Senate bill if it included a public option.

During this period, several alternatives were considered. One compromise proposal included a Medicare buy-in for people age fifty-five and older. However, both Senator Lieberman and Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) opposed the Medicare buy-in, which evoked concerns similar to those raised about the public option. Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND) proposed using nonprofit health care cooperatives to compete with for-profit plans, but this concept also sparked little enthusiasm.

Debate over the public option continued as additional proposals were made to narrow eligibility for the public option and to raise the rates paid to providers above Medicare levels. When those, too, failed to garner enough support, the public option was eliminated from the Senate bill.

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) and Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) made last-minute attempts to introduce amendments to include a public option as the bill was about to be voted on by the Senate Finance Committee. Those failed, and there was no public option in either the bill that emerged from that committee or the bill that passed the full Senate on 24 December 2009 (the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, HR 3590). The option was also omitted from the president’s proposal, Principles for Health Reform, released 22 February 2010 prior to a bipartisan health care summit. Likewise, it was not present in the budget reconciliation bill passed by the House and Senate and signed into law by President Obama in March 2010.

Whatever, Jem.

 

[jem]

elitetrader... where fake libertarians get disabused of fake news and fake history by real libertarians and real conservatives.

Whatever, Jem.

 

[viruscore1]

Believe what you want, you just seem delusional at this point.

I am? you're in denial, face the facts but you keep on marching to fake news. When sh!t hits the fan the old admin will be covered in it.

 

[Nine_Ender]

I am? you're in denial, face the facts but you keep on marching to fake news. When sh!t hits the fan the old admin will be covered in it.View attachment 172121

I never bring up "fake news" on this site, nor do I obsess about labels ( like "leftist" ) like you do. Life in Toronto is pretty good to me. If Florida is going great for you, stop posting all this negative shit like you hate the world.

 

[viruscore1]

I never bring up "fake news" on this site, nor do I obsess about labels ( like "leftist" ) like you do. Life in Toronto is pretty good to me. If Florida is going great for you, stop posting all this negative shit like you hate the world.

Do you even read your own post before you send them? You call others delusional when you post fake news, which is only real in your own mind. I would say you're confused but you need to know more than one thing to be confused.
You and Trudeau can pull up your skirts and get a real job to pay your 13% hst, and 3rd world migrants. When your real estate markets implode, you'll see your city is nothing but over priced and next to a stinky lake.

 

[Tsing Tao]

I never bring up "fake news" on this site, nor do I obsess about labels ( like "leftist" ) like you do. Life in Toronto is pretty good to me. If Florida is going great for you, stop posting all this negative shit like you hate the world.

You don't obsess about labels? You throw "racist" around like it's your favorite label in the world.

 

[Arnie]

I've struggled a lot with this, personally. As a Libertarian (a real one, not a Piezoe half made-up classification from 150 years ago), I am adamantly against the government enforcing any price controls or restrictions on the free market in price. But this is a special circumstance.

When there is a drug someone must take or else they will die, they will pay anything for it. There's no free market actions to protect the consumer. Normal demand/supply and pricing mechanics don't come into play. A pharmaceutical company with patent protections for 10 years and demand any price and be paid for it. As a result, I believe the government is the only entity that can protect consumers here. Of course, when the government is in bed with the very same pharma companies, then these protections aren't applied until the outcry gets loud.

I think you are missing the real cause. There's a third party paying for the drug. If not for that, two things would happen. #1 the pharma would have to price the drug at a point where the patient could afford it, without insurance picking up the cost. Or #2 the drug would not be developed due to risk of not getting a return, since their pricing leverage would disappear...no insurance to spread cost, no new drug.