Donald, This I Will Tell You

[AAAintheBeltway]

Oh, look, another innocent whose delicate sensibilities have been offended.

You misinterpret me. I just don't care. If we haven't worked out racial issues after 150 years of trying, probably we're not going to. You have your narrative, I have mine.

The practical effect is we refuse to be intimidated by cries of racism or feel some need to try to prove to people who despise us that we really love them.

 

[jem]

I agree. I have lived next to 2 very smart black guys in my life.

In Carlsbad (2 doors down) , a retired NASA scientist and as a kid in Greenwich our neighbor was an international lawyer at a very big firm.

Plus my best professor was a black guy and he was really smart.

I got the reference, I've only seen the preview and haven't bothered to read enough about the historical element to draw a conclusion. My gut feeling says it's more than likely a Hollywood stretch of the imagination. Not because I don't think black people can be smart, but more so because it wasn't like they were getting a decent education in those days.

 

[CaptainObvious]

How did this thread spin into another rant about racism? No need to answer, everything is about race to the political left. I can say with confidence that the overwhelming majority of Americans are past this race labeling. Yeah, you got a few thousand ghetto dwellers making the nightly news, and a few hundred hillbillies still fighting the civil war, but the population at large is past this. So then the logical question is why do we hear this endlessly on the news and from the race baiter types in and around politics? Because they're heavily invested in it, that's why. Careers are a stake. Hundreds of millions, billions of dollars to be had. It ain't going away because when it ends, they end.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Consider the genesis. Consider current circumstances with an open mind. Who has more of a legitimate beef?

Sure, bro.

Are you insinuating that blacks who behave poorly now do so because of slavery?

 

[Nine_Ender]

That's just it. You won't own up, because you won't consider having slipped. Someone who is a race baiter, or labels everyone/everything he/she disagrees with as racist isn't going to see the err in their thinking.

For example, you consider the travel ban that Trump is putting in place racist. You've stated this openly. Israel openly profiles travelers on it's airline and to it's country. They do this because they have realized that a certain nationality/religious group has an overwhelming statistical probability of hurting them, and as a result they've taken precautions. To you, this is racist. To them, it is life or death and protecting their citizens.

In both of these posts, gwb schooled you (no pun intended) on how education statistics for non-hispanic, white students are actually ranked quite highly in the world and the US's overall low ranking has to do with urban areas being included in the ranking (which is true). Instead of focusing on the problem of poor inner-city school quality and teacher aptitude, you immediately claimed this was racist. This is exactly like the Chicago example I offered above. Of all the racist commentary and posters on this forum you could have called out and I might have been inclined to agree, gwb is not one of them. He's probably one of the most level-headed posters on this entire website. You labeled him because you didn't like what he was saying.

Here's a thread where you've basically written off the entire United States as a racist and bigoted place where social values have deteriorated past the point of all hope.

And that's just pointing out stuff from the first page of a search for the word "racism" in your posts. There are five full pages more of threads where you're going off on someone or some other idea you dislike as racist and bigoted. Some you might have a point on. But mostly...nah, you're one who likes to label, as I said originally.

I'm not going to go into great detail on this. Your idea that I am somehow "schooled" by someone abusing statistics ( note I have an advanced math degree ) to support their narrative is ridiculous. In brief, as I said before, you can't parcel out the poorest performing schools in your country and compare the results to ALL the schools in another country.

There is a big difference between talking about inner city failings and the plight of low income people in the US ( which is a real problem ) and characterizing it in terms of skin colour. This is a distinction that most Canadians understand immediately.

 

[Tom B]

Race baiting is racism.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Are you insinuating that blacks who behave poorly now do so because of slavery?

No. But are you insinuating that everything has been roses for African Americans following the Emancipation Proclamation?

 

[Tsing Tao]

No. But are you insinuating that everything has been roses for African Americans following the Emancipation Proclamation?

Life has been good for some African Americans, bad for others. Life has been good for some whites, Asian Americans, Hispanic Americans, and bad for others. Some of it is bad luck, some of it is hard work, some of it is happenstance and what people make of it.

Excusing a black man who says he is going to "kill him some whiteys" simply because African Americans have had a harder time than most since the EP is decidedly liberal and makes very little sense.

 

[Tsing Tao]

I'm not going to go into great detail on this. Your idea that I am somehow "schooled" by someone abusing statistics ( note I have an advanced math degree ) to support their narrative is ridiculous. In brief, as I said before, you can't parcel out the poorest performing schools in your country and compare the results to ALL the schools in another country.

There is a big difference between talking about inner city failings and the plight of low income people in the US ( which is a real problem ) and characterizing it in terms of skin colour. This is a distinction that most Canadians understand immediately.

OH! You have an advanced math degree! Well, then. That's different.

You, and the rest of Canada (assuming your presumption about Canadians agreeing with you) don't seem to understand the concept that skin color and low income/urban environments here in the US, happens to be connected. This isn't because all folks of color are poor, it just so happens that statistically speaking, higher percentages of people of color live in lower income, urban environments. This is somehow racist to you and your advanced math degree.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

Life has been good for some African Americans, bad for others. Life has been good for some whites, Asian Americans, Hispanic Americans, and bad for others. Some of it is bad luck, some of it is hard work, some of it is happenstance and what people make of it.

Sure, but let's look at aggregate numbers and see the story they tell. Look, things are getting better, sure. But they are still not where they need to be. I'm not condoning militant behavior by any stretch, but I do understand it in the face of some treatment to which minorities are subjected. You and I may not have experienced it, but I can imagine walking a mile in those shoes. Give it a try. And the pushback from offended "white society" (fhl's term) as though the playing field were level is insult to injury.