Does science make belief in God obsolete?

TraderZones,
I studied japanese (reading, writing, speaking, including a syllabus of 3000 kanjis on top of hiragana, katakana) at university - but only for one year.

Memorizing and learning japanese was pretty hard, and on top of that because we had a female tutor, we learned to speak like japanese women.
:)

Now, I have several friends who studied with me and also took latin, esperanto and more - in fact one of them has one of the few websites fully in latin and esperanto versions.

I would wager to say that learning japenese for me is a bit more difficult than learning latin, hebrew or greek - partly because of the cultural distance.

But, in the end this has no bearing on my statements. You guys seem to think that learning and "understanding" religion entails learning (ancient) hebrew and/or (ancient) greek. That is just preposterous.

I did not say that you need to understand every detail nook and cranny of all sciences to make do with science in your life - i.e all aspects of science is not required for feeling fairly sure that you understand and can rely on scientific facts for living. Neither is the whole history or everything ever written about religion needed to believe in religious systems. You do, however need to grasp a holistic and basic concept of various sciences to connect the dots ... I would wager to say that is a bit more challenging than say - "it's a miracle!" as an explanation. I may be going out on a limb here though ... or not!
:p

BernardRichards,
I do not have moral - but I do have personal integrity and perform most of my work/actions with some form of ethics. I do not succumb to moralism however - and the religious belief systems can kiss my ass as far as I am concerned. "Right and wrong" - "good and evil" ... well, apart from risk analysis and decision theory - I would say I am very open minded. I am egoistic - just like any living being, or structure that you can imagine. I am law abiding too - as otherwise would be very detrimental to me taking part of society. Otherwise, I follow my own decisions with little influence by others - mostly for the sake my own selfish gains.

How about you, Bernard - are you more of an altruistic person forsaking your own good?
 
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BernardRichards,
The state of Israel has many characteristics of what is known as a fascist regime - but being a direct autocracy is not one of them. They do tend to have corruption scandals and other crisis that make them form various coalition governments between what to outsiders seem like extremist parties - but that does not automatically make them an autocracy even though these governments or leaders are maybe not directly elected.

I think they have quite frequent elections, and may need to with the over-sexed or corrupt leaders that sometimes ride their positions for what it's all worth. That they fence in and refuses to recognize parts of the "population" as a sovereign state, or otherwise use militarized groups that harass, threaten and kill the "opposition" is just something they are used to dealing with in their own way. I don't think it will change anytime soon, with staunch block-heads on both sides of the table.
Their politics will probably be perceived as extremist by a large part of the world for a long time to come still.


They do fit the bill with regards to other characteristics of fascism:

* raises nationalism, and frequently race, above the individual

* stringent organization of the economy and society, and aggressive repression of opposition

* seeks to achieve a national rebirth by promoting cults of unity, energy and purity - they admittedly do have very real enemies, though

* promote a type of national unity that is usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, national, racial, and/or religious attributes

* have some elements that are usually seen as its integral parts of fascism like: patriotism, nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, economic planning (including corporatism and autarky), populism, collectivism, autocracy and anti-liberalism

It just fits the bill in some respects with the similarity to what the common definition of fascism is. So - it begs further scrutiny when a state has several of the characteristics. To me - I don't care one way or another. They can be as apartheid as they want and blow eachother to bits. The region bears no significance to me - only they don't start involving me or mine.
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I don't want to turn this thread into a political discussion because Zzzzzzz may start to censure me like he did to you, and as a senior member on this board he is worthy of my respect.

But I will say that what you state above is totally out of synch with reality in regards to Israel being a fascist state (every country has corruption that doesn't make it a fascist state) because if it were true there would not be a single Arab standing in Israel today after about 126 years of perpetual war.

On the other hand, there were millions of Jews living in Arab lands pre-1948, and now they are Judenrein.

I know you are against religion whatever you mean by it, but I don't think you are against history as well. There is no Palestine and no Palestinias.

The name given to Israel by the Romans was Palestine after they turned it into a barren wasteland after the failure of the Bar Kochba war in 135 C.E., and their intention was to eliminate all traces of ancient Israel going so far as even to change the name of the area to Palestine. The area was just becoming too costly for them control so instead they cut their losses, and destroyed the entire land, and a huge portion of the people.

The name Palestine comes from Philistine or Pelishtim in Hebrew. The perpetual enemies of the Jews for a few hundred years. The people in the so called Palestinian territories now are Arabs -- not Philistines, and they were conquered by the Hebrews in the times of Samson, Samuel, Saul, and David. In other words, the true Palestinians or Pelishtim have been extinct now for around 3,000 years.

Actually the region bears a significance to every human being on the planet now in a very direct manner because of someone called Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and his patron Ali Khameinei. Translation, there is a high probability of a nuclear holocaust being just around the corner, and nuclear radiation does not recognize borders.
 
Bernard,
you are obviously a very religious person who know a lot from the christian bible, or maybe the jewish tora ...

However, you say there is no Palestine and no Palestinian people ... So what do you propose to do with the people who call themselves that and are living there?

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck - you sometimes feel the need to take a closer look to confirm if it is a duck or not.
 
Bernie:
> ... as a senior member on this board he is
>worthy of my respect.

I respectfully suggest that your criteria for "respect worthy" individuals is beyond suspect.

This comment isn't about respect or no respect for Ztroll or anyone else, it's simply about the value of respect when offered simply because of one's "seniority".

Perhaps you're a union member -- those organization often respect time onboard over actual productive value.

JB
 
Wow,
user "BernardRichards" you are also another user created here with only posts in the "Politics & Religion" forum ....

Jeeez, how many users on this board have you created, dude ... ?

ZZZzzzznoozer, "I am...", BernardRichards ... do you (guys) only live for the chitter-chatter?

Seems like I have been talking to some schizophrenic ... multiple personality wannabe after all.

The LOLs are on me then ... afff :p
 
So much for "better things to do"

:/

Quote from Gringinho:

Wow,
user "BernardRichards" you are also another user created here with only posts in the "Politics & Religion" forum ....

Jeeez, how many users on this board have you created, dude ... ?

ZZZzzzznoozer, "I am...", BernardRichards ... do you (guys) only live for the chitter-chatter?

Seems like I have been talking to some schizophrenic ... multiple personality wannabe after all.

The LOLs are on me then ... afff :p
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Quote from Gringinho:

Seems like I have been talking to some schizophrenic ... multiple personality wannabe after all.

The LOLs are on me then ... afff :p
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You make my point. There is only "one" here - Christ - going by many aliases. Yes, it's rather schizophrenic...multiple personalities wanting to be whatever they want, regardless of the truth. It started as a joke, but when ignorance creeps in, it gets nasty. What started out as a friendly, Monty Python type crucifixion soon devolved into a Mel Gibson type crucifixion. What a joke that was. The world will end when the players are willing to laugh it all off. Acronym "SIN" = Insane notions taken way too seriously. It's insane to mask, misrepresent, misportray, or otherwise mess with the Son of God. But that is what all players in this world are up to. That is all that is really happening, if anything is happening at all.

Jesus
 
Quote from Gringinho:

Wow,
user "BernardRichards" you are also another user created here with only posts in the "Politics & Religion" forum ....
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I only have 21 posts and they are all in this forum. Is something wrong with this?

Is there a requirement for people to post on other forums in Elite Trader before they post here?

I don't see your problem with this Gringinho.

I suggest you take a break from posting today.

You are starting to get paranoid.
 
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Bernie:
> ... as a senior member on this board he is
>worthy of my respect.

I respectfully suggest that your criteria for "respect worthy" individuals is beyond suspect.

This comment isn't about respect or no respect for Ztroll or anyone else, it's simply about the value of respect when offered simply because of one's "seniority".

Perhaps you're a union member -- those organization often respect time onboard over actual productive value.

JB
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Don't be jealous Turok.

I respect you too.

Who is honored? He who honors others.
 
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