Does praying to Jesus help with trading?

Adam chose to follow Eve into disobedience. He didn't have to.

God built the universe upon laws etc.

If I aim an AR at a crowd and discharge the weapon, that's on me; not anything/anyone else as I have free will. It becomes a matter of physics. Small explosion ignites larger explosion which expels projectile ... so on and so forth.
 
Wallet said:
Ask Pharaoh, I believe he was given a choice.
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Hrmmm. I am trying to go back in memory of the Torah...The Pharoah was given a choice? Hrmmm hrmmm. Even if he was, infanticide was an extreme reaction by Yahweh. I mean, come on man.
 
themickey said:
it's impossible for religous people to be honest with themselves as they are always covering, making excuses for the dogma of church brainwashing. To cover/make excuses for the church mean you're a puppet, nicely controlled by the religous heirachy.
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Try me.
 
themickey said:
What I was hoping to say but got distracted, it's impossible for religous people to be honest with themselves as they are always covering, making excuses for the dogma of church brainwashing. To cover/make excuses for the church mean you're a puppet, nicely controlled by the religous heirachy.
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I can't make you understand God's intervening in my life, as I see that you have never experienced Him making Himself known to you or directly answering your prayers in such a way that you know that it was not chance but a direct answer to prayer.

But since you are so convinced that everything a believer has experienced is all imagined, what do you have to say about the passage in Isaiah 53? That is very strong evidence. It was definitely written before Jesus was born, according to secular scholars. Yet it testifies of Jesus in great detail.

Evidence like this is solid. It is not imagined that it was written before Jesus came. It is not imagined that it described a substitutionary death for sinners. You may try to explain away why you do not think it applies to Jesus, but no matter what your explanation, those words were written before Jesus came. Jesus did fulfill them.
 
studentofthemarkets said:
Isaiah 53? That is very strong evidence. It was definitely written before Jesus was born, according to secular scholars. Yet it testifies of Jesus in great detail.

Evidence like this is solid. It is not imagined that it was written before Jesus came.
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Isn't it possible that Isaiah 53 was simply written before parts of the Bible that were written later (like a book or movie followed by a sequel)?
 
themickey said:
I think when they began they had true godly intentions, but fell down along the journey by temptation.
Therein lies the problem, the harder we try to be something we aren't, the more we begin to oppose it.
Honesty to yourself becomes honesty behaviour to others, ie if you are dishonest to yourself, its impossible to be honest to others as a way of life.

The concepts of religion are taught to us by flawed humans (everyone is flawed).
Religion/Christianity has fine qualities but it is also flawed dogma, rules imposed to make you feel guilty, unworthy, inferior. Go to church, tithe, pray, marry in the church, appear to be good, don't smoke or swear, don't booze, don't eat pork or cow, or shellfish etc. Rules are made by religions so it forces you to conform, to group think.

Unfortunately the brain is not wired to conform, the more you conform the more you break out.
Example; look at any country where the govenment forces people to conform strictly to their principles, the people generally are unhappy imo.
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Man is great at asceticism and legalism trying to promote a self-image worthy of self-worship. Pride imo is the underlying sin for most of man’s problems.

God gave Moses the Law to show man that he couldn’t live a righteous life, it also foreshadowed the need and pointed to God’s provision for reconciliation between a sinful, spirituality dead man and the inconceivable Lord God Almighty.

The good news is that while we are/were sinners, God loved us and offered Himself as a sacrifice, paying the debt of sin we owe, reconciling our relationship - something we are completely unable to do.

So when you point to so called “religious rules” understand that’s a lie from the pits of hell. There’s nothing we can do to earn “righteousness”. There’s no heavenly scales where our good vs. bad are weighed.

We all are guilty. We are all descendants of Adam, moreover we all have sinned. Our righteousness comes “entirely” from Christ when we put our faith in Him.

True Works (fruit of the Spirt) come after the fact, actually God working thru the individual.

Salvation never comes via works, tis impossible.
 
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Wallet said:
......So when you point to so called “religious rules” understand that’s a lie from the pits of hell......
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So you are saying, if some member of a church doesn't obey the rules, they don't get thrown out?
From my understanding, one either complies or they are ostracized.
What do religous rules have to do with bogeyman Satan again?
 
ph1l said:
Isn't it possible that Isaiah 53 was simply written before parts of the Bible that were written later (like a book or movie followed by a sequel)?
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There’s a school of thought that Isaiah was written by 2, some people think 3 different authors because of the accuracy of prophecy included in the book and the transition of content between the first and second halves. Those in this belief see the book divided basically in half, the second half being written at a later date. Actually the change in Isaiah’s focus is an intriguing parallel that models the bible from need/sorrow OT to fulfillment/joy NT. It’s apparent when studied and further cements the astounding prophetic message from Isaiah.

Problem is that Jesus quoted Isaiah in John’s Epistle chapter 12.

Jesus named Isaiah (one person) and quoted from both chapters 6 & 53.
 
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