Does Israel have right to exist in current form?

Does Israel have right to exist in its current form?

  • NO. 50 years of violence, Apartheid, spying on USA, AIPAC control, Mossad False flag

    Votes: 27 60.0%
  • Yes. I believe the next 50 years will somehow be different

    Votes: 18 40.0%

  • Total voters
    45
Quote from triggertrader:



Ok everyone! lets just deal with the truth! Even a fool should know that the most important event in all of Jewish history was the migration out of Egypt at or around 1250 BCE! It gave them an identity, a nation & a founder! Even the first line of Exodus will PROVE the establishment of ISRAEL at this time! Fair enough everyone?

Now to the " Palestinians." The name " Palestine " was created & first used by the Roman emperor Hadrian at or around 132 AD! Any history book on the Mid East, even by non Jewish authors or sources will verify this! The name was chosen to insult the Jews for their resistance to the might of Rome during the Masada & Bar-Kochbah revolts to preserve their freedom! So everyone, can we all now agree that the first " Palestinians "---- WERE JEWS!

So then, from where, when & why did todays Palestinians arrive in the West Bank & Gaza where they still reside? Reasonable question? Todays Palestinians were driven out of most Arab nations for their criminal, terrorist acts against their govts, led by none other than ---- Yasssar Arafat!

It's my understanding that both Arabs and Jews have been in the land now (and once before) called Israel for thousands of years and that both these peoples were for a long time all Palestinians rather than Israelites ( or Israelis ).

When the Brits decided to compensate the Jews for the atrocities inflicted on them by Europeans by giving the Jews their own state they didn't give a damn what happened to the approx. 50% of the population in the area that was Arab. The huge influx of Jews from Europe displaced the local Arabs and created the people with the present identity "Palestinians". For a variety of reasons, exactly who and where these 'Palestinians' are today is impossible to determine.

There's no doubt in my mind that the Palestinian Arabs were shafted by the Brits and that the miseries of these unfortunate people continues unabated.

Simply dismissing these people as criminals and lunatics only serves to perpetuate the problem. They're willing to die because they have nothing to live for. I think Palestinian suicide bombers are not religious fanatics; they're people who want to leave their desperate families the money they're given for giving up their lives for somebody else's cause.

Having said that I also say that Israel can't solve either their own problems or the Palestinians' problems on their own; they're preoccupied with their struggle to survive.

This whole thing is an incomprehensibly complicated mess that can never resolve itself because the dialogue between the opposing parties is hysterically accusatory.
 
Well... that's not entirely true
Quote from heidegger:

When the Brits decided to compensate the Jews for the atrocities inflicted on them by Europeans by giving the Jews their own state they didn't give a damn what happened to the approx. 50% of the population in the area that was Arab. The huge influx of Jews from Europe displaced the local Arabs and created the people with the present identity "Palestinians". For a variety of reasons, exactly who and where these 'Palestinians' are today is impossible to determine.
For many centuries, Palestine was a sparsely populated, poorly cultivated and widely-neglected expanse of eroded hills, sandy deserts and malarial marshes
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the regeneration of Palestine, and the growth of its population, came only after Jews returned in massive numbers. The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.

This rapid growth was a result of several factors. One was immigration from neighboring states — constituting 37 percent of the total immigration to pre-state Israel — by Arabs who wanted to take advantage of the higher standard of living the Jews had made possible. The Arab population also grew because of the improved living conditions created by the Jews as they drained malarial swamps and brought improved sanitation and health care to the region.

The Arab population increased the most in cities with large Jewish populations that had created new economic opportunities. From 1922 to _1947, the non-Jewish population increased 290 percent in Haifa, 131 percent in Jerusalem and 158 percent in Jaffa. The growth in Arab towns was more modest: 42 percent in Nablus, 78 percent in Jenin and 37 percent in Bethlehem.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Arabs_in_Palestine.html

Please keep in mind that the Arabs got about half of the land during the partition and that was after they already got Transjordan which was part of the British mandate Palestine (see map earlier in the thread). In essence the area known as Palestine was partitioned in three states - 2 arab and one jewish ones. All the arabs needed to do was to accept the results of the partition and live happily in their two states. They chose to invade Israel instead...
 
Quote from WAEL012000:


I hear you man! 55 massacres against the Palestinians and erasing of the face of the earth 450 town and villages belonging to the Palestinians to build parking lots constitute Palestinian Terror you zionists filth.


first of all i want to address you as a demented moron because that is what you are. where the hell did you find these websites? these websites are as credible and as truthful as you are for an excuse of a human being. do you own these websites by any chance?
listen you pathetic piece of garbage. when you quote a source or a website it has to be a credible source like from a scholar, credible university or the library of congress. you are no "semite" as you alll yourself. "wael" sounds more like a muslim extremist which is exactly what you are.

umm and once again idiot the arent any "Palestinians" http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cach...yth&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us&client=firefox-a what you are refering to are jordanian refugees illegally squatting in the land of israel. why don't you take them back with you to jordan or one of your 22 oil rich countries? let those trillianire fat saudi sheiks offer some aid to their arab refugees without a home bretheren.
the only "massacres" that have taken place were against jews that was started by your hero mr arafat during the intifada

below are the real massacres buddy!

Key Events in Yasir Arafat's Terrorist Career. THE MAN THAT CREATED THE PALESTINIAN MYTH AND HAS THE BLOOD OF 1000'S OF INNOCENT LIVES ON HIS HANDS MAY HE ROT IN HELL.


http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=11&x_article=795




Palestinians control 22 countries??? Haven't you been updated boy??? This argument is soooooo 1960s. People will read this and laugh at your stupidity..

And where oh where did I hear the controlling thing. Oh yeah...Some people control the media and the financial sector and so on and so on. You see what you are doing to yourself zionist boy??? You are using the same exact tools used against you by the Nazis and nazi wannabees. I guess you learned your lesson very well being the fascist zionist you are.

Yes I will mention that! I will mention how you, bombed your own synagogs in Iraq to force your own people to flee to your illegal entity in fear http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/impact/iraqijews.cfm. I will mention how you zionists collaborated with the nazis into sending the Hungarian Jews to concentration camps and to their demise in what became known as the Kastner affair http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/mideast/agedict/ch25.htm. I will mention that the worst collaborators against the European Jewish resistance were zionists and zionists leaders. I will mention that upon your rude arrival at our shores, you ethnically cleansed my Jewish Palestinian brothers who ended up watching whatever remained of them being massacred by Sharon In Sabra and Shatial Massacre in Lebenon. I will mention how you kidnapped thousands of Safardi Jewish children from their parents, put them in camps and experimented on them by injecting them with high dosages of X-ray radiation upon their arrival in Israel causing thousands of cases of cancer and infertility. I will mention how when you escaped the Spanish inquisition you elected to run to the Muslim states for a safe heaven; the same people you turned around and stabbed them in the back you filthy zionists. I will mention how Jews throughout the Arab and Islamic world (Iraq, Iran, North African states and others) Held ministerial cabinet posts in their respective countries.

every act israel took against the jordanian refugees ("palestinians") was in retaliation and to seek justice for the above and other attacks against jews. it is you the aggressive arab that starts the violence.
additionally stop calling a zionist you worthless piece of dung. i am an american. i am living here for 5 generations. my ancestors come from israel way before you people illegally crossed over from jordan whom were kicked out with arafat in black september 25 years ago and decided to call yourself "palestinians" instead of henry the eighth naploean the first or sears robuck the 3rd. i identify with israel becuase its where my ansestors are from and i have been there as well to know everything and anything that you cowards are gettiing away with.
But i do beleive in G-D and you wont get away with it for ever.

Anti semite??? Zionist boy...I AM the semite khazara boy. I am the true semite while you are the blue eyed khazara who converted to Judaism for economical reason. If anything it is your European zionist ass that is anti Semitic against me and against the safardi Jews.

ha ha. you damn fool. did you think you would get away with that? you mean to tell me that you claim you are a "palestinian" and at the same time now you are a saphardic jew? your credibility went from being in the toilet to the sewer. errr... sorry there is no such thing as a jordanian refugee saphardic jew.
why dont you send me come crappy propagandist website proving me wrong now will you?


Another zionist European attempt to explain to me who I am and how I do not belong to this land that I lived on for thousands of years. He is trying to explain to me that his white skin that turns into crispy red under my homeland's sun is the true owner of my land.

the only thing crisping from the sun is your brain. there definitely seems to be vacancy of the cranium.
additionally when you say "my land" i would like to add to that. my land means not only the state of israel it also means land stolen from persian jews in iran, iraq, morocco and many other arab landshttp://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:tXefXpGcWJUJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands+jews+expelled+from+arab+lands&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a
this land has to be returned at once you theif!

Blah blah blah blah. Yeah buddy. The whole world is wrong and you are the only one who is right. Your rightness stems from the fact that you cannot belive nor comprehand that anyone will have the audacity to confront you. You are the mighty...You are the powerful!!! You are the one who will commit massacres, ethnically cleanse a nation out of their ancestor land, cage the remaining in big jails called towns and villages, steal land, illegally occupy further land...Or destroy it if you cannot steal it and then become shocked when the UN condemn your criminal actions. I mean...How dare they!

the real question is who is going to condemn the UN criminal acts. such as mr kofi annan stealing and diverting billions of dollars in the oil for food scandal. the UN support of terrorist regimes of iran who want to blow the world to smithereens with their nuclear weapons programs. The UN is a corrupt criminal organization that supports terror. no wonder a jordanian refugee such as yourself supports it.
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cach...+un&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a

No buddy. I want my land that you stole, my farm that you stole, my town that you destroyed and then stole the land that it stood on, my schools that you destroyed and built a parking lot on. Asd for you??? You could go back to Europe...Your real country that you are still a citizen off and still hold a passport from...zionist boy.




errr and no "buddy" i want you Jordanian refugees a.k.a. "palestinians out of MY LAND. if you want a "palestinian state you have one in jordan. take the next boat back!
and i want back my land that you stole in morocco, Iraq, iran, syria, algeria, lebanon, lybia and Bahrain.
so you give my land back and get out of my land and stay out!
 
Quote from dddooo:

Yawn, Blah, blah, blah wael, the same old litany of the same old bogus complaints. I already told you that you're a broken record, didn't I.
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PS don't forget who you really are. You're a Yemeni (according to your own admission). Your land is 1000s of miles away, you don't belong in the Holy Land.

And the arabs do have 22 countries and 99.8% of the Middle East. Of course they've turned them into a pile of shit, 22 huge fundamentalist, poor, oppressed, medieval shitholes. And Israel occupying 0.2% of the Middle East - progressive, democratic free flourishing oasis in the desert. DEAL WITH IT.

LOL!
 
Quote from triggertrader:

errr and no "buddy" i want you Jordanian refugees a.k.a. "palestinians out of MY LAND. if you want a "palestinian state you have one in jordan. take the next boat back!
and i want back my land that you stole in morocco, Iraq, iran, syria, algeria, lebanon, lybia and Bahrain.
so you give my land back and get out of my land and stay out!
 
Quote from triggertrader:

errr and no "buddy" i want you Jordanian refugees a.k.a. "palestinians out of MY LAND. if you want a "palestinian state you have one in jordan. take the next boat back!
and i want back my land that you stole in morocco, Iraq, iran, syria, algeria, lebanon, lybia and Bahrain.
so you give my land back and get out of my land and stay out!
 
Quote from triggertrader:

errr and no "buddy" i want you Jordanian refugees a.k.a. "palestinians out of MY LAND. if you want a "palestinian state you have one in jordan. take the next boat back!
and i want back my land that you stole in morocco, Iraq, iran, syria, algeria, lebanon, lybia and Bahrain.
so you give my land back and get out of my land and stay out!

As I told you, a Khazara Polish boy does not come here and tell me what to do. I suggest you stay in your country and find something else to steal zionists boy.

Your land??? You are the most outragious thief. Your land is in Poland...I suggest you go back to it.
 
Quote from WAEL012000:

As I told you, a Khazara Polish boy does not come here and tell me what to do. I suggest you stay in your country and find something else to steal zionists boy.

Your land??? You are the most outragious thief. Your land is in Poland...I suggest you go back to it.

poland? why not choose the antartica? how the hell do you know where i am from?
i am not you fool and i am not a zionist. zionists are the ones running the government and are currupt and bucking under pressure to hand to the jordanian refugees.
i have heard from other members that you are a yemenite. why dont you go back to yemen?
 
Quote from triggertrader:

poland? why not choose the antartica? how the hell do you know where i am from?
i am not you fool and i am not a zionist. zionists are the ones running the government and are currupt and bucking under pressure to hand to the jordanian refugees.
i have heard from other members that you are a yemenite. why dont you go back to yemen?

My tribe migrated to Palestine 2000 years ago. Way before you decided to convert to Judaism for economical reason. way before you knew where the Middle East is. And way before you chose my homeland out of an assortment of countries to steal.

You heared from other members??? Khahahahahaha! Stop it sunnyskies! You are not even funny zionoboy!
 
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