Does God Suffer From Vanity?

[volente_00]

Quote from james_bond_3rd:

Just because that there might be a slight chance that we will discover a three headed monster, you won't deny its existence?

Do you also believe in Santa Claus? Do you deny the existence of Santa Claus without any evidence of his nonexistence? Do you hold an irrational faith in the nonexistence of Santa Claus?

I am agnostic with a touch of pascal's wager when it comes to santa as well.

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from james_bond_3rd:

Just because a concept can be made by a human mind, does not make the concept automatically true.

Any idea that Z comes up with is automatically invested with the verity of the delivered word.

Any opinion he has is the truth.

The sooner you understand that, the better.

 

[stu]

Quote from ddunbar:

So then theism can also be a state, condition, or quality as opossed to a worldview?

Recall, according to the way in which you'd like atheism to be the opposite of theism, theism would have to possess the same attribute given to the suffix "ism" as you'd like for atheism.

Edit: lol this is post number 666 for me. Just thought I'd throw that in for a bit of humor.

Can be, yes, why not? and such a state need not be permanent or lethal !!

Don't tell me pertinent to this discussion you consider a state of understand/non-understanding and a worldview are essentially different in some way !?


itchy scritchy patchy poo now the devil wont get you.
That should break any nasty ol' 666 spell

Not easy to see how your argument can be fixed though.

 

[stu]

Quote from neophyte321:

what is worrisome to theists is when atheists attempt to indoctrinate their children with their belief in the absence of god.

You've missed the point. At birth there can be no indoctrination. The child is oblivious to concepts of a God ie: theism. The child's cognizance of such things is as ddunbar's 'clean slate'. But we know it is without any theism. There is a word which commonly describes that state. Have a guess what it is. Yes that's right, atheism.

Ah but now all the alarm bells go off. Evil, nasty, indoctrinating the child with atheism, against God, bad, jesus savior, help..... panic, rave --- but for what??

My guess is there are plenty who would be quick to defend the word when it confirms the child is atheistic toward Allah or the Sun God.

Quote from ddunbar:

That's actually a reasonable use of the term atheist. I am an atheist when it comes to Vishnu, or Zeus, or etc. But am a theist when it comes to the Christian God.

Well now, right on cue would you believe it!! A a baby cannot have theism and is without it just like you are toward those deities. You make a considered choice to be atheist, the baby is atheist by default.

Indoctrination commences only on the intervention and introduction of theism to the child.
Were there nothing of theism in the world, there would be nothing of atheism.

Quote from neophyte321:

using catchy phrases like "santa claus", the "giant spagehetti monster", "flying unicorns", etc, etc ... Granted, there are no children on this site, but there is a concerted effort by atheists to subvert people's beliefs never-the-less. You blame religion for war for god's sakes.

"Jesus" was a catchy phrase for a long time. It nearly didn't catch on at all. Beliefs are there to be challenged. If they were not, you might well be Muslim or Hindu right now.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

I see the "argument" from ignorance continues

According to this line of "thinking" a new born baby has an IQ of zero, because the baby can't take an IQ test, so their score would be zero.

LMAO...

Quote from stu:

You've missed the point. At birth there can be no indoctrination. The child is oblivious to concepts of a God ie: theism. The child's cognizance of such things is as ddunbar's 'clean slate'. But we know it is without any theism. There is a word which commonly describes that state. Have a guess what it is. Yes that's right, atheism.

Ah but now all the alarm bells go off. Evil, nasty, indoctrinating the child with atheism, against God, bad, jesus savior, help..... panic, rave --- but for what??

My guess is there are plenty who would be quick to defend the word when it confirms the child is atheistic toward Allah or the Sun God.
Well now, right on cue would you believe it!! A a baby cannot have theism and is without it just like you are toward those deities. You make a considered choice to be atheist, the baby is atheist by default.

Indoctrination commences only on the intervention and introduction of theism to the child.
Were there nothing of theism in the world, there would be nothing of atheism.
"Jesus" was a catchy phrase for a long time. It nearly didn't catch on at all. Beliefs are there to be challenged. If they were not, you might well be Muslim or Hindu right now.

 

[TM_Direct]

...a person with Alzheimers then or all people with brain damage or in a coma are OBVIOUSLY atheists i guess is the point???

 

[stu]

Quote from TM_Direct:

...a person with Alzheimers then or all people with brain damage or in a coma are OBVIOUSLY atheists i guess is the point???

then you miss the point. Did you take any aim at all?

 

[TM_Direct]

Quote from stu:

You've missed the point. At birth there can be no indoctrination. The child is oblivious to concepts of a God ie: theism. The child's cognizance of such things is as ddunbar's 'clean slate'. But we know it is without any theism. There is a word which commonly describes that state. Have a guess what it is. Yes that's right, atheism.

...a person with Alzheimers then or all people with brain damage or in a coma are OBVIOUSLY atheists i guess is the point???


what point did you not get?

 

[pattersb]

if a baby has never been "indoctrinated", as you call it, exposed is the word I'll choose, to the concept of a divinity, how can he reject it?


Atheists == Do Not Believe In God

NOT

Atheists == Have never heard of the concept of God


I suppose it depends on which definition suits your argument or agenda at the moment


a·the·ist (th-st) KEY

NOUN:

One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

 

[james_bond_3rd]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

...denial is an active assertion of non existence, which is not actually a fact known to be in existence.

I knew this was going to happen. Whenever z10 turns on a subject, he is going to produce gems like this. This is as good as the "snowflake self" thing.

What are you going to try next, z10? You have proven yourself to be totally clueless about physics, totally clueless about math, and totally clueless about philosophy. What next?