Does God Suffer From Vanity?

I didn't think I would have to bring out the pictorial explanation of stuey's atheist theory, but I guess it is time...

One picture says it all...






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Quote from neophyte321:

Interesting stuff: (not to jump into your argument...)

http://www.reference.com/search?r=2&q=Atheists


Positive definition: the belief that no deities exist
Numerous dictionaries recognize the positive definition of atheism, as a "belief" or "doctrine". This reflects a view of atheism as a specific ideological stance, as opposed to the rejection or simple absence of a belief.
In philosophical and atheist circles, however, this common definition is often disputed and even rejected. The broader, negative has become increasingly popular in recent decades, with many specialized textbooks dealing with atheism favoring it. One prominent atheist writer who disagrees with the broader definition of atheism, however, is Ernest Nagel, who considers atheism to be the rejection of theism (which George H. Smith labelled as explicit atheism, or anti-theism): "Atheism is not to be identified with sheer unbelief... Thus, a child who has received no religious instruction and has never heard about God, is not an atheist—for he is not denying any theistic claims.

Some atheists argue for a positive definition of atheism on the grounds that defining atheism negatively, as "the negation of theistic belief", makes it "parasitic on religion" and not an ideology in its own right. While most atheists welcome having atheism cast as non-ideological, in order to avoid potentially framing their view as one requiring "faith", writers such as Julian Baggini prefers to analyze atheism as part of a general philosophical movement towards naturalism in order to emphasize the explanatory power of a non-supernatural worldview. Baggini rejects the negative definition based on his view that it implies that atheism is dependent on theism for its existence: "atheism no more needs religion than atheists do". Harbour, Thrower, and Nielsen, similarly, have used philosophical naturalism to make a positive argument for atheism. Michael Martin notes that the view that "naturalism is compatible with nonatheism is true only if 'god' is understood in a most peculiar and misleading way", but he also points out that "atheism does not entail naturalism".
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since people believe in hundreds of gods in the world everyone is an atheist. we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
 
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since people believe in hundreds of gods in the world everyone is an atheist. we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
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That's actually a reasonable use of the term atheist. I am an atheist when it comes to Vishnu, or Zeus, or etc. But am a theist when it comes to the Christian God.
 
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since people believe in hundreds of gods in the world everyone is an atheist. we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
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Not bad! I like it.
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

All concepts come from the conceptual part of the mind and are rational as such, as they are formed and understood in the intellectual mind. The heart doesn't generate concepts. This is why the pure rationalists struggle to understand love, art, as love and art etc, are not a product of conceptual understanding, but rather direct experience. In the world of pure reason, direct experience is not important, which is why mathematics can work conceptually even though it might not work in real life applications and known realities. No human being has ever seen, touched, tasted, felt, smelled a number, they have only experience the symbols for numbers, which are purely conceptual.

This issue is whether or not any particular concept is practical, useful, beneficial, true or false, or reflecting reality independent of the human mind.

God as a concept, is entirely rational.
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You failed miserably in discussing physics. Now you're trying math? The first indication is that you'll fail just as badly.

Have you ever heard of a concept called "paradox?"
 
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since people believe in hundreds of gods in the world everyone is an atheist. we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
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Concise and to the point. Very good!

OTOH, how can one believe in so many non beliefs? :D Without any evidence of nonexistence?
 
All you have to do is show me some numbers that exist independent from and not of the mind of man, that are not a projection of arithmetic concepts onto the world around us, that don't require symbols to represent them...then we can discuss my knowledge of math...

Just show me the numbers in their original form, not in some language which is symbolic of the concept of math and arithmetic...
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james_bond_3rd:

You failed miserably in discussing physics. Now you're trying math? The first indication is that you'll fail just as badly.

Have you ever heard of a concept called "paradox?"
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I think stu is right...all babies are born atheist....and Liberal too!...think about it? they sit around doing nothing but crying and get free lunch and care and really don't contribute to society for years and years! :D
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

All you have to do is show me some numbers that exist independent from and not of the mind of man, that are not a projection of arithmetic concepts onto the world around us, that don't require symbols to represent them...then we can discuss my knowledge of math...

Just show me the numbers in their original form, not in some language which is symbolic of the concept of math and arithmetic...
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You seem to be hearing impaired. So let me repeat.

Have you ever heard of a concept called "paradox?"
 
So you can't show me numbers, because they are concepts.

Just as God is a concept in the mind, which atheist believe is a false concept and as such close off and harden their hearts to God, and theists believe is a true concept and they open their hearts and commune with God, and agnostics belive there is no way to know if the concept of God is true or false so they don't involve their heart in any manner...which is why they, unlike the resident atheists, are not bitter about God.



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You seem to be hearing impaired. So let me repeat.

Have you ever heard of a concept called "paradox?"
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