I wasn't making fun of you. I just made an assessment of your comprehension capabilities based on your rather glib and childish responses to my posts. I may be wrong. It won't be the first time. Then again, maybe I'm not wrong, unless you're intentionally being obtuse, in which case how can you blame me? See how that works?
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Does God Suffer From Vanity?
- Thread starter Thunderdog
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Quote from james_bond_3rd:
Are you saying that you had no idea that the Bible contained those paragraphs? Interesting...
There was nothing interesting here. I hate to put it this way, but you are relatively thick. Again, that was not what I said or meant...
I prefer spending my time dialoguing with those who actually read what others say, and converse from their own understanding. I don't have time or energy to argue with someone who refuses to connect the dots.
Most what I see from you sounds like you google to websites called "101 Skeptical Things To Say When Someone Believes In Scripture." and "Dumb Follow-on Comments That Have Little To Do With What Others Said."
I yield you the last post. I might have better results arguing with a potted plant.
You might have a better luck arguing in favor of the Quran instead of Bible, as far as scientific accuracy is concerned. Here are some of the examples:
Tectonic plates:
Quran 27:88 You see the mountains and think they are firmly fixed: but they are moving away just like the clouds are moving away: (such is) the artistry of Allah, Who disposes of all things in perfect order: for He knows all what you do.
1 Chronicles 16:30 Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved.
Inflationary universe:
Quran 51:47 And the heaven, We built it with craftsmanship and We are still expanding.
Jeremiah 33:25 This is what the LORD says: 'If I have not established my covenant with day and night and the fixed laws of heaven and earth,
Atmospheric pressure:
Quran 6:125 Those whom Allah wants to guide, He opens their chests to Islam; And those whom He wants to leave astray, He makes their chests tight and constricted, as if they are ascending to the sky: Such is the penalty of Allah on those who refuse to believe.
Bible had no opinion on this.
Tectonic plates:
Quran 27:88 You see the mountains and think they are firmly fixed: but they are moving away just like the clouds are moving away: (such is) the artistry of Allah, Who disposes of all things in perfect order: for He knows all what you do.
1 Chronicles 16:30 Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved.
Inflationary universe:
Quran 51:47 And the heaven, We built it with craftsmanship and We are still expanding.
Jeremiah 33:25 This is what the LORD says: 'If I have not established my covenant with day and night and the fixed laws of heaven and earth,
Atmospheric pressure:
Quran 6:125 Those whom Allah wants to guide, He opens their chests to Islam; And those whom He wants to leave astray, He makes their chests tight and constricted, as if they are ascending to the sky: Such is the penalty of Allah on those who refuse to believe.
Bible had no opinion on this.
Quote from rcanfiel:
There was nothing interesting here. I hate to put it this way, but you are relatively thick. Again, that was not what I said or meant...
I prefer spending my time dialoguing with those who actually read what others say, and converse from their own understanding. I don't have time or energy to argue with someone who refuses to connect the dots.
Most what I see from you sounds like you google to websites called "101 Skeptical Things To Say When Someone Believes In Scripture." and "Dumb Follow-on Comments That Have Little To Do With What Others Said."
I yield you the last post. I might have better results arguing with a potted plant.
Look, you brought this up, without providing any actual passages from the Scripture. When you were challenged with evidence to the contrary, you sound like this is beneath you. Why did you bring it up in the first place?
You now sound like jem and those select others, who on not being able to directly address the basic issue start an appeal to the gallery.Quote from ddunbar:
For any who have been following the now ended convo between Stu(freaky-deaky-freakaziod, lol) and myself, here's what is meant/intimated by non-cognitive atheist in connection with babies.
non-cognitive being the opposite of cognitive above makes a non-cognitve atheist, what?
Equivalent to a rock, a piece of paper, or a scissors and all other such mindless things that are devoid of cognition.
I suppose (actually certain) that's the reason why many atheists (that's theist with a "A") oppose the use of the term atheist for a baby. It's insulting to associate atheism with mindlessness given the amount of thought and courage that goes into being an atheist and the struggle for the worldview atheism espouses.
But some atheists are so desperate to expand who can be termed an atheist in order to gain acceptance (safety in numbers which has the effect of mitigating insecurity) that they are willing to dilute and denigrate the great school of thought that is paramount to and the hallmark of atheism. That being, rationalism.
You have been asked before and you have ignored the obvious once again.
What is so bad with a baby being a non cognitive new born human being?
Its natural state.
Nothing?
Then why so bad for atheism, that a baby is non cognitive atheist when it is perfectly acceptable and natural for it to be non cognitive human being?
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non-cognitive being the opposite of cognitive above makes a non-cognitve atheist, what?
It makes non-cognitive atheist the natural state in which a human baby is noticed to be born into by those with cognition of theism.
Have you asked yourself what is it that should get you so riled up about that ordinary and rather obvious state of affairs?
Quote from james_bond_3rd:
You got it. Science attempts to approach fact but never reaches there.
That's why no one studying science has blind faith in science or any scientific theories - they could be proven wrong any time.
So even if GOD'S existence could be proven using scientific measures, an atheist would still argue against it because it requires faith and there is a possibility that those measures are wrong just like on pluto.
My question is, why is every atheist I have ever met, pessimistic, argumentive and closed minded ?
I've encountered lots of optimistic, non-argumentative, reasonable, calm, accepting, non-threatened by theism and open-minded atheists...just not here at ET. They understand that faith is an essential component of both their own beliefs, and the beliefs of theists, and they chose atheism, and seem quite content in that choice. My guess is that they don't have childhood issues to overcome which revolve around some bad experience as a child during religious training...
Quote from volente_00:
So even if GOD'S existence could be proven using scientific measures, an atheist would still argue against it because it requires faith and there is a possibility that those measures are wrong just like on pluto.
My question is, why is every atheist I have ever met, pessimistic, argumentive and closed minded ?
Quote from volente_00:
So even if GOD'S existence could be proven using scientific measures, an atheist would still argue against it because it requires faith and there is a possibility that those measures are wrong just like on pluto.
Even if you're willing to subject God to constant scrutiny and doubt by scientific inquiry, it is not the proper thing to do. The argument for separating faith from science, is not just to protect science from religious muddling. It is also to protect religion from constant questioning and scrutiny as all science is. Remember, the only things in science that can be proven beyond any doubt, are things that are wrong. The only purpose to move religion into the realm of science is to prove it wrong. Why would you do that?
Quote from volente_00:
My question is, why is every atheist I have ever met, pessimistic, argumentive and closed minded ?
Could it be because you're too closed minded to see the other side?