Does God Suffer From Vanity?

[kjkent1]

Quote from rcanfiel:

What I accept is irrelevant. If I believe 2+2=5, this does not change reality.

OK, if what you believe doesn't change reality, then reality is not subject to alteration by faith. Thus, only science exists. Yet you claim to believe that the Bible is literally true, which is faith contradicting science.

Seems to me that you accept a dual reality based on your faith. This is entirely relevant.

You seem to be talking in circles, which makes me wonder if you really know what you actually believe. But, it doesn't really matter. You're entitled to your belief, whatever it is.

 

[james_bond_3rd]

Quote from rcanfiel:

I consider the Scripture as millenia beyond what we can currently grasp.

Yep, it sure is millenia beyond any scientist today can grasp, such as...

Snakes eat dirt:

Genesis 3:14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
"Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life."

Bats are birds:

Leviticus 11
13 " 'These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture,
14 the red kite, any kind of black kite,
15 any kind of raven,
16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk,
17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl,
18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey,
19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.

Rabbit "chews the cud:"

Leviticus 11:6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you.

Insects have 4 legs:

Leviticus 11:20 " 'All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you.

Any school child can tell you that these are all wrong! You may say that people 2000 years ago didn't know these but to claim that the Scripture is "millenia beyond" today's science has go to be a joke!

 

[james_bond_3rd]

And there are more:

Flat earth society:

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

How do you see all the kingdoms of the world by going up a very high mountain? Are we all duped by science telling us that the earth is a sphere?

 

[james_bond_3rd]

Oh, and not only the earth is flat, it is square too:

Job 38

1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said:

2 "Who is this that darkens my counsel
with words without knowledge?

3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.

4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.

5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?

6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone-

Don't tell me that cornerstones are not on the corners! Remind me how many millenia is the Scripture ahead of today's science?

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Q:

1. Should the Bible be read literally or figuratively?

1a. Should the Bible be examined with the intellect and empiricism in order to understand it, or should it be read with faith?

Oh, and I don't read the Bible and I am not either a Christian, a Jew, or anyone else who puts the Bible us as an authoritarian text. I have no opinion on the Bible...

Quote from james_bond_3rd:

And there are more:

Flat earth society:

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

How do you see all the kingdoms of the world by going up a very high mountain? Are we all duped by science telling us that the earth is a sphere?

 

[james_bond_3rd]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Q:

1. Should the Bible be read literally or figuratively?

1a. Should the Bible be examined with the intellect and empiricism in order to understand it, or should it be read with faith?

Oh, and I don't read the Bible and I am not either a Christian, a Jew, or anyone else who puts the Bible us as an authoritarian text. I have no opinion on the Bible...

Now you're starting to talk some sense. As long as you don't equate religion with science, I'm fine with both. Those who claim the Scripture as the source of all knowledge, are talking from ignorance. They know neither the Bible nor science.

 

[rcanfiel]

Quote from james_bond_3rd:

Yep, it sure is millenia beyond any scientist today can grasp, such as...

Snakes eat dirt:

Genesis 3:14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
"Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life."

Bats are birds:

Leviticus 11
13 " 'These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture,
14 the red kite, any kind of black kite,
15 any kind of raven,
16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk,
17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl,
18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey,
19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.

Rabbit "chews the cud:"

Leviticus 11:6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you.

Insects have 4 legs:

Leviticus 11:20 " 'All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you.

Any school child can tell you that these are all wrong! You may say that people 2000 years ago didn't know these but to claim that the Scripture is "millenia beyond" today's science has go to be a joke!

first of all, I would have been more impressed if you had had this from your own research, rather than cutting and pasting from elsewhere. But I have seen this kind of stuff before. And I doubt you really studied each of those things you quoted.

But if there is a desire to play that game, then we can.

1) These scriptures (the books of Moses) were written sometime prior to 500 BC. Do you want to tell me about the state of science in 500 BC, when it was written? OK, 2000 years later in 1500AD. Do you want to tell me about the state of science?

2) Or since you present 4-5 questionable things of scripture. Do you want to discuss the 10-100 million + individual small facts that were held by scientists over the last few centuries, but then discarded or changed because they realized they were wrong, or needed to alter based on evidence? Ah, so we are better now? Then the items I mentioned before, that in the 90s, science suddenly realized that the observable universe had perhaps 25 times more content than they knew?

 

[rcanfiel]

Quote from james_bond_3rd:

And there are more:

Flat earth society:

Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

How do you see all the kingdoms of the world by going up a very high mountain? Are we all duped by science telling us that the earth is a sphere?

Actually, the Bible presents the earth as round, that it turns, and that is suspended in space. (since you like to dig through bible facts, i will let you find those on your own)

And I will restate; Scripture is clearly presented that those who do not believe will not be able to comprehend.
Trying to pull spiritual events out of scriptures out and understanding them from logic or scientific reason will only wander back into this realm.

 

[james_bond_3rd]

Quote from rcanfiel:

Actually, the Bible presents the earth as round, that it turns, and that is suspended in space. (since you like to dig through bible facts, i will let you find those on your own)

Actually, this is scientifically incorrect. Since you like to quote science, I will let you find out what's wrong with this statement on your own.

BTW, I don't think anyone who's taken geometry would agree that a circle is the same as a sphere.

 

[james_bond_3rd]

Quote from rcanfiel:

2) Or since you present 4-5 questionable things of scripture. Do you want to discuss the 10-100 million + individual small facts that were held by scientists over the last few centuries, but then discarded or changed because they realized they were wrong, or needed to alter based on evidence?

This exposes your complete ignorance of science. All scientific theories are made to be proven wrong. That is the fundamental difference between science and religion.

Tell me a single religious theory that is made to be proven wrong. Your whole premise was that the Scripture was always correct. So pointing out a few errors in the Bible was sufficient to refute your point.

OTOH, all science is made to be proven wrong. So a lot of it has been proven wrong surprises no one except those who have no clue.