They are the same argument and jem knows it.
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They are the same argument and jem knows it.
1. the fine tunings of the constants of the universe has its genesis in the science, cosmology and physics. It has been observed and debated by physicists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe
2. whereas the ID argument is mostly based on biology and concepts like irreducible complexity, dna and information technology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design
3. Lately some IDers have picked up the fine tuning argument.
So for me... ID is biology, biologists, information tech guys and believers
Fine Tuning is cosmologists and physicists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe
2. whereas the ID argument is mostly based on biology and concepts like irreducible complexity, dna and information technology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design
3. Lately some IDers have picked up the fine tuning argument.
So for me... ID is biology, biologists, information tech guys and believers
Fine Tuning is cosmologists and physicists
Intelligent design is different from fine tuning (by a tuner)?
good question.
That the constants are fine tuned is apparent to our current (non troll) understanding of science.
the real question is what is the explanation, and I think most scientists would say Tuner or hope to find a Multiverse or hope to find TOE... I doubt it gets near 97% for any explanation.
That the constants are fine tuned is apparent to our current (non troll) understanding of science.
the real question is what is the explanation, and I think most scientists would say Tuner or hope to find a Multiverse or hope to find TOE... I doubt it gets near 97% for any explanation.
Would you agree that 97% of scientists think the universe appears fine-tuned?
I recognized the quote as I have linked to it many times the last 4 years.
That's right. You are always linking to posts which contradict the silly things you say.
In short at the time of the quote there was still a concern that perhaps they might still find a theory of everything... or the testing at cern would show something knew.
However, the extreme fine tuning of the Cosmological Constant was virtually proven when they used the standard model of physics to find the Higgs Boson at Cern about a year ago.
Its funny cause the 1950s thinking atheist troll just lies his ass off, over and over.
Utter rubbish. Higgs remains a part of the Hierarchy problem or "fine tuning" to you, as was the case before being discovered.
"Its funny cause the Middle Ages thinking theist troll just lies his ass off, over and over."
1. the fine tunings of the constants of the universe has its genesis in the science, cosmology and physics. It has been observed and debated by physicists.
.....but "fine tunings" actually being fine tunings, is never defined or established or confirmed in cosmology and physics as science.
"Fine tuning" is only a phrase, a term, an interpretation in cosmology and physics for a set of observations that appear to be especially particular to each other, but as yet remain unexplained.
In religion, "Fine tuning" is an excuse to throw a deity at a specific group of yet undetermined extraordinary natural circumstances.
2. whereas the ID argument is mostly based on biology and concepts like irreducible complexity, dna and information technology.
Which are thoroughly discredited debunked and rejected by the science they try to invade.
3. Lately some IDers have picked up the fine tuning argument.
So for me... ID is biology, biologists, information tech guys and believers
Fine Tuning is cosmologists and physicists
Except you can only insinuate both, as neither are science.
good question.
That the constants are fine tuned is apparent to our current (non troll) understanding of science.
the real question is what is the explanation, and I think most scientists would say Tuner or hope to find a Multiverse or hope to find TOE... I doubt it gets near 97% for any explanation.
No need, there is gravity. Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.
That's what's "apparent to our current (non troll) understanding of science."
You have no idea what I do or don't take on faith, stupid.Hawking is your "god," STUpid, because you take what he says on faith no matter how absurd it is.
The only ones around here insisting what certain scientists say confirms their assumptions are those like yourself, who don't actually have any real argument at all. As proven each time you post.