Does anybody really want to throw out good young people brought here by no fault of their own?

LacesOut said:
You don't really believe that do you Cap'n?
Is the alternative not worse??
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Here's what I think. We are at a point of inflection n this country. Decisions need to be made now, not later, now. Republicans have proven time and again that they are incapable of making any substantive decision on the issues that have real impact. Oh they love to talk about the great days of Reagan. Soooo much was accomplished. Listen up. Reagan is fucking dead. Fuck the Reagan years. What are they doing now? Nothing. Even with this majority, they can't get anything done. Taxes, nothing. Healthcare,nothing. Immigration,nothing. Infrastructure, nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing. Why? Cause it's oh so hard. Fuck them. That ain't an answer, it's an excuse. This obsession with perfection has us spinning ourselves into a deeper and deeper hole on every single issue. My message is do something, anything, just make a god damn decision.
I wrote what I wrote because we need to find out what works and what doesn't. Who has the ideas? Not the republicans, only the democrats. One can argue, quite easily that their ideas are horrible. Whatever, let's find out. Then we know, right? The republicans have nothing, absolutely nothing which they can agree upon. In that case we just need to start crossing stuff off the list. Great, Carbon tax. Let's see how that helps. Open the borders. Fantastic, lets see where that goes. Lower taxes? Nonsense, raise them. Medicare for everyone. Sounds good to me. How it gets paid for, who the hell knows, lets give it a whirl. This is where we're at and all because a Republican President, a Republican congress and a Republican senate can't pass a single fucking bill even thought they don't need one fucking democratic vote. How fucked up is that? I cannot, and will not support a party with a dick so limp.
 
Tony Stark said:
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"Does anybody really want to throw out good young people brought here by no fault of their own?"

Steve Bannon does!

I was shocked to learn that Bannon wants these folks deported. Every last one of them. That is one of the things, among several other things, he said in the Charlie Rose Interview that convinced me that this guy, Bannon, is bat shit crazy.

See https://charlierose.com/videos/30951
 
CaptainObvious said:
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Presumably it would be paid for by diverting your insurance premiums to medicare payments instead. Medicare's overhead is far lower than overhead in the private sector, so logically we ought to see substantially lower net costs under medicare. Who knows for sure until we try it. I know the prospect of medicare for all scares the daylights out of for-profit insurance companies. Their rates will have to go up to pay for all the lobbying and television advertising they are going to throw at us. Still, even under medicare the private insurers have a role to play in offering supplemental coverage for the 20% that Medicare doesn't cover. I see no reason to feel sorry for the private, medical, insurance industry. Get Ready for a tsunami of disinformation from them.

One thing I know from personal experience is that medicare coverage involves far less paperwork and confusion than any private plan I have ever had. Personally, I like medicare much, much better than any private coverage I ever had. For me anyway, there is just a whole lot less hassle with medicare. I'm confident, that if by some miracle we eventually brought everyone under medicare, the for-profit medical industry would insist that Congress fuck it up just enough that it wouldn't work very well. Then they'd say, "see, we told you so." There are clearly some things that all other advanced nations are capable of that the U.S. will never succeed at. Reasonable access to a high standard of medical care for everyone at a reasonable cost seems to be one of them.
 
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piezoe said:
Presumably it would be paid for by diverting your insurance premiums to medicare payments instead. Medicare's overhead is far lower than overhead in the private sector, so logically we ought to see substantially lower net costs under medicare. Who knows for sure until we try it. I know the prospect of medicare for all scares the daylights out of for-profit insurance companies. Their rates will have to go up to pay for all the lobbying and television advertising they are going to throw at us. Still, even under medicare the private insurers have a role to play in offering supplemental coverage for the 20% that Medicare doesn't cover. I see no reason to feel sorry for the private, medical, insurance industry. Get Ready for a tsunami of disinformation from them.

One thing I know from personal experience is that medicare coverage involves far less paperwork and confusion than any private plan I have ever had. Personally, I like medicare much, much better than any private coverage I ever had. For me anyway, there is just a whole lot less hassle with medicare. I'm confident, that if by some miracle we eventually brought everyone under medicare, the for-profit medical industry would insist that Congress fuck it up just enough that it wouldn't work very well. Then they'd say, "see, we told you so." There are clearly some things that all other advanced nations are capable of that the U.S. will never succeed at. Reasonable access to a high standard of medical care for everyone at a reasonable cost seems to be one of them.
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Great, lets give it a go. Decisions need to be made.
 
LacesOut said:
You don't really believe that do you Cap'n?
Is the alternative not worse??
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Of course it's worse. He's blowing off steam. There would be some satisfaction in giving the republicucks the middle finger, but the far left dem policies are largely irreversible once enacted. See obamacare.

Trump is not assured of being renominated. If the MAGA's drop him, he may not make it that long.
 
piezoe said:
Presumably it would be paid for by diverting your insurance premiums to medicare payments instead. Medicare's overhead is far lower than overhead in the private sector, so logically we ought to see substantially lower net costs under medicare. Who knows for sure until we try it. I know the prospect of medicare for all scares the daylights out of for-profit insurance companies. Their rates will have to go up to pay for all the lobbying and television advertising they are going to throw at us. Still, even under medicare the private insurers have a role to play in offering supplemental coverage for the 20% that Medicare doesn't cover. I see no reason to feel sorry for the private, medical, insurance industry. Get Ready for a tsunami of disinformation from them.

One thing I know from personal experience is that medicare coverage involves far less paperwork and confusion than any private plan I have ever had. Personally, I like medicare much, much better than any private coverage I ever had. For me anyway, there is just a whole lot less hassle with medicare. I'm confident, that if by some miracle we eventually brought everyone under medicare, the for-profit medical industry would insist that Congress fuck it up just enough that it wouldn't work very well. Then they'd say, "see, we told you so." There are clearly some things that all other advanced nations are capable of that the U.S. will never succeed at. Reasonable access to a high standard of medical care for everyone at a reasonable cost seems to be one of them.
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Couple things.

One, the "medicare for all" term is just to put a better face on it. What we are talking about is "medicaid for all." The doctors will rally bigly because their reimbursement rate will be in the toilet. If it is ever adopted then, the government will come up with the great idea of training physicians to work just in medicaid for all type programs in return for student debt write down and salary etc. That is how we "evolve" from private insurance to single payer medicaid for all to single payor plus actual government funded providers as in the lefty countries. Right now we are just talking about the reimbursement piece with the assumption that providers will remain in the private sector. Let us just say that that will/would evolve over time.

Two, yes indeed private insurers will lobby bigly and provide information/disinformation about alleged claims that medicare is more efficient and cost-effective. In fairness to them and to everyone, it is good to look at it in detail. Medicare has solvency issues that the government is able to keep kicking down the road but a private insurer cannot do that. Just sayin, any allegation that medicare is more cost effective needs to include a review of all costs- including the hidden ones.
 
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