Doctors Ban More Medical Schools.....Greater Number of Students....Protect Incomes...

Quote from Fractals 'R Us:

Doctors are technicians that speak latin. They should get $50k a year and be glad we don't replace them with an expert system running on a $300 personal computer.

Right, after 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school and 6 years of specialization. Every experienced nurse will spit in your face if she had to work for $50k.
 
Quote from Fractals 'R Us:

Doctors are technicians that speak latin. They should get $50k a year and be glad we don't replace them with an expert system running on a $300 personal computer.

This might be one of the dumbest things I have read on ET in a long while. That is saying something.
 
Quote from clacy:

... as their pay is determined by how many patients they see...

There lies a big part of the problem, for the doctors to maintain their high income they have to go through more patients than good health practices would dictate. The most successful doctors are many times the worst doctors. A doctor who sees 50 patients a day cannot give the same quality of service as the doctor who sees 25 patients a day yet he makes twice as much for being an inferior doctor.
 
Quote from achilles28:

If a GP makes 250K per year, with their own practice, that's a lot.

Most Lawyers don't make close to that.

Lawyers shouldn't make as much as doctors. For the most part, lawyers are a total drain on our economy. I have seen first hand, small business totally drained due to frivolous law suits. In fact, I would definately say that lawyers are more to blame for the high cost of medicine than doctors incomes are.

At least doctors are providing a worth while service. Lawyers are just sucking the blood out of the economy.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

There lies a big part of the problem, for the doctors to maintain their high income they have to go through more patients than good health practices would dictate. The most successful doctors are many times the worst doctors. A doctor who sees 50 patients a day cannot give the same quality of service as the doctor who sees 25 patients a day yet he makes twice as much for being an inferior doctor.

I agree to some extent, but how to fix it?? Cut their patient loads in half and do you think medical costs would go up or down?
 
Here is the point....

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/108045.php


Notice ...the word is medical liabilities....not garbage collectors...

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So....the amount of money that is involved in medicine is mind boggling......and the US cannot afford it.....

So now what ?

Here is a simple way of looking at it......

What is the actual cost of a visit....this is without insurance costs, and all other nuances.....what is the real bare bones cost....

What % of a visit is due to government regulations, law suits, equipments costs, building costs...etc....

So...what percent of the total could be stripped out.....without actually affecting a simple patient visit ?
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Just why is it that the label has to be medicine and not something else in the unfunded liability article....?

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Why is it that MDs have the nicest houses, country clubs, etc..etc... is this not money ?????

Personally....I believe that the removal of legal largesse would go a long way.....and having larger numbers of doctors would go a long way......Better hours.....good pay......more reasonable all around.....

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There are lots of articles on the web relating to how the AMA restricts the number of doctors as well....and how they go about it...just put in a few words in Google........you will find them all day long....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-03-02-doctor-shortage_x.htm
 
Quote from bigarrow:

I know quite a few doctors, don't know where you get your salary info, but it's way off from the guys I know. A buddy of mine recently finished his inter and after his first year he said he made over 3 hundred thousand. He said if he wanted to work 80+ hours a week like some of the other surgeons he could of pulled in 5 to 6 hundred thousand. By the way he did not get into medicine for the money.

Averages for a sample of specialties in my city (Kansas City):

Family Practice- $162k

Plastic Surgeon- $325k

Cardiologist- $288k

http://www.salary.com/
 
Quote from clacy:

I agree to some extent, but how to fix it?? Cut their patient loads in half and do you think medical costs would go up or down?

Don't know for sure how to fix it, but it's not my job to fix it either so I haven't put too much brain work into what to do. The success ones see too many patients a day. The high number of patients they see may have a bearing on the lawsuits. My personal experience with doctors have generally been not satisfactory with the rich ones and very satisfactory with the middle class earning doctors.
 
almost all health care costs occur at the end of one's life...

no wonder doctors and hospitals are against the "right to die"...
 
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