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Dobbs: Keep religion out of politics
- Thread starter ZZZzzzzzzz
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Secular governments don't require churches to tell them what is moral.
We can figure that out just fine without churches telling us what to do...
Or do you even have any idea at all why we have a secular government?
We can figure that out just fine without churches telling us what to do...
Or do you even have any idea at all why we have a secular government?
Quote from Pabst:
I find Dobb's take idiotic and self-serving. He's a vehement foe of immigration and clearly has an axe to grind with Christians who are concerned about the moral implications of closed borders and closed societies. The debate over immigration SHOULD BE all encompassing. It's a mix of economics, national security and yes, morality.
People have reasons for supporting one candidate over another. Is it more kosher for a candidate to tell a union audience that he'll "fight to keep jobs in America" than for a candidate to tell religious voters that he'll "support family legislation."? Is it ok for a candidate to employ class warfare or to preach tax cuts but not ok to support the rights of the not yet born or to oppose homosexual marriage based on religious reasons?
Like most anti-intellectuals Dobb's fails to mention the role of black churches in pumping out the vote for Black Democrat's. The Democrat's have guys named REVEREND Jesse Jackson and REVEREND Al Sharpton running in Presidential primaries. The media would be aghast if REVEREND Bob James or Pat Robertson were actual politicians. The appearance at Chicago and Philadelphia Black Baptist Churches is a de rigeur invitation for Democrat's. When I ran for Congress the only two candidate forums in houses of worship that I was invited to speak were at a black baptist church and a synagogue. The members of each institution were overwhelmingly Democrats.
Even though I was grilled harshly and walked away with few votes from each forum I was heartened that a few hundred people would come to their church or temple to help make a personal decision. To me interaction of faith and community epitomizes American democracy.
I find it remarkable that some folks, usually liberals, have no problem with the IRS denying churches the right to politic and with the anti-voice of McCain/Feingold campaign finance reform. Talk about the Federal Government clamping down on freedom!!
The purpose of the First Amendment was not to censure religious expression but to enhance it. The government once again runs amuck with the blessing of dolts like Dobbs.
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
Secular governments don't require churches to tell them what is moral.
We can figure that out just fine without churches telling us what to do...
Or do you even have any idea at all why we have a secular government?
were talking about the IRS coming in and deciding what a church can and cant talk about. come on...... that is absurd. that flies in the face of all liberties. the IRS answers to a private foreign corporation.... they have a conflict of interest.
A church has the right to talk about anything they want to. They just can't have tax-exempt status if they politically back a governmental candidate.Quote from ratboy88:
were talking about the IRS coming in and deciding what a church can and cant talk about. come on...... that is absurd. that flies in the face of all liberties. the IRS answers to a private foreign corporation.... they have a conflict of interest.
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
Secular governments don't require churches to tell them what is moral.
We can figure that out just fine without churches telling us what to do...
Or do you even have any idea at all why we have a secular government?
So, if secular gov't doesn't require churches to tell them what is moral, why do churches need the gov't to tell them what is legal?
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
Secular governments don't require churches to tell them what is moral.
We can figure that out just fine without churches telling us what to do...
Or do you even have any idea at all why we have a secular government? [/B]
I'm sure I know better than you the history of the Bill of Rights.
Where did I mention or even imply "require" or "tell them"?
A church that endorses political candidates is no different than a trade union, a newspaper, a business or civic organization or any other collective body that seeks to enforce a particular ideology through political means.
An electorate will make decisions based upon it's values, expectations and experiences. If some voters are sectarian then it's reasonable to expect some sectarian ideals to influence decision making. Do you favor a Thought Police now as well?
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
Secular governments don't require churches to tell them what is moral.
We can figure that out just fine without churches telling us what to do...
Or do you even have any idea at all why we have a secular government?
our rights are endowed by our creator, these are the words of your secular govt.