Do you gun law people also believe we should ban cars?

Quote from Tsing Tao:

I'm not sure I can agree. A background check isn't an infringement on rights anymore than a criminal background check is on a job applicant. You might be able to argue that denying a gun to an applicant based on the results of the check infringes on that individual's second amendment rights, but even that is shaky since - in the case of a convicted felon, for example - that individual has given up some of his rights as a result of his choice to commit a crime. Just like an incarcerated individual loses the right to vote, for example (or is supposed to).
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Exactly my point except. And I would argue that a felon who has served his punishment also has the right to own a firearm. I'm not for that but a strict reading would indicate that they do have that right.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

Exactly my point except. And I would argue that a felon who has served his punishment also has the right to own a firearm. I'm not for that but a strict reading would indicate that they do have that right.
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What we have now is what we will have going forward. Check back in about 10 years to see if anything might change then..
 
Quote from Spike Trader:

I have a better idea , there should be background checks , in that way if any of the weapons he bought were used in crime,it could be traced back to him. He will soon stop his gunrunning , and there will be lesser crime , lesser workload for the BATF , and smaller government.

But you people keep on saying it won't work.
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Think about what you're going on about.

You say there is this "guy" who buys guns and sells them on the black market. There are only two possible ways this occurs. I'll speak to both.

1. He buys the guns legally, either through a private seller or through some FFL. These legally purchased guns belonged to someone, and when a crime is committed with these guns (after he turns them around on this so-called "black market") the cops will come looking for the legal, registered owners of these guns. These people will then point the cops to this hypothetical man and he'd be toast. Especially if it happened more than once and they had a record of it. It wouldn't take long for this to catch up to this guy.

2. He buys the guns illegally, himself. In this case, a background check won't stop him because he isn't conforming to laws in the first place.

Either way, the man has shown himself to be a criminal. You are a jackwad if you think that putting a simple law requiring background sales for private citizens will stop this man. That is, if you haven't made up the whole thing from the start, which I believe you have.
 
Quote from Spike Trader:

I have a better idea , there should be background checks , in that way if any of the weapons he bought were used in crime,it could be traced back to him. He will soon stop his gunrunning , and there will be lesser crime , lesser workload for the BATF , and smaller government.

But you people keep on saying it won't work.
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1) Why would someone engaging in illegal activity submit to a background check?

2) If you don't turn him in you're a hypocrite a pussy and a worthless POS.
 
Quote from Ricter:

If laws don't stop (discourage, to be realistic) criminal behavior then why do we (and everyone else) have laws?
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Why don't you just STFU? Reading your posts is like reading a 4 year old posting. It gets tiring reading the naïve, childish questions and points you try to make. Just STFU for a while.
 
Quote from Ricter:

If laws don't stop (discourage, to be realistic) criminal behavior then why do we (and everyone else) have laws?
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That's exactly right, why have drivers licenses if those with out a license will drive anyway. Whay have laws against murder since murderers will commit murders anyway. It is an illogical argument that the NRA makes.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

That's exactly right, why have drivers licenses if those with out a license will drive anyway. Whay have laws against murder since murders will commit murders anyway. It is an illogical argument that the NRA makes.
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They're arguments from ideological purity. We can't allow same-sex marriage because, logically, it must inevitably lead to men marrying their daughters, etc. And the arguments are ignorant of history and the evolution of law. Why are we not arguing over the general prohibition of guns in the passenger compartments of planes, didn't that law put us on the "slippery slope" to nationwide gun confiscation decades ago?
 
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