Do you Beleive in God ?

[piezoe]

Quote from BernardRichards:

I wasn't discussing this point. But the distinction here is that the theist believes his moral code is not according to his understanding, but according to the understanding of his creator (and is usually promulgated through some formal moral code such as a bible) while the atheist chooses his moral code or lack thereof because it appeals to him.

OK, thank you. I see now what the distinction is. Apparently the distinction is that the theist is deluded regarding the origin of his morals, while the atheist is not.

I will tell you a story that will illustrate how at least some atheists are repelled by the thought of blindly accepting moral beliefs of others.

My son had a professor who smoked cigarettes during class. (This was at Yale. It would not happen, of course, at any decent university.) One day a girl in the front row asked the professor if he would mind not smoking. He answered, " I shall be happy to so long as your objection is not on moral grounds."

 

[acronym]

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It doesn't matter a fuck what you believe people, it don't make it true.

If there was a creator, it doesn't matter shit now, deeds done.

If there weren't, still don't matter a shit, 'coz deed's done.


Moral's don't exist; only existence exists.

Argue all you want, but life, of one sort or another, will go on after the last bible believer/theist/atheist is long gone, and turned to dust.
Not human life, or superphantasmagorical bible life, there is no heaven, no hell, no nothing.
Just renewal and regeneration.

The earth will survive, despite religious theorists (believers etc.).

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from peilthetraveler:

Funny thing is, that if God does blind peoples eyes to his existence, then the atheists that read this will completely not grasp anything I said, nor will they even try to think with any meaning of what i have just said. They will probably quickly try to tell me that i just dont understand science, or that I should read a book. (as if I havent read the same books they have on the subject)

oh. we understand perfectly. you are deluded because of your indoctrination. that you dont understand science has been well demonstrated.

 

[RangeBar]

Quote from BernardRichards:


Ok, I had enough of this garbage with idiotic atheists. You guys don't want to debate, but preach your atheism. Been there done that. Enjoy your atheism rangebar, and kut2k2, and don't bother me anymore. I am sorry I made the mistake of entering your thread Rangebar. I thought you were sincere. It won't happen again.

You're right, Bernard. I did let the thread drift into a soapbox and I'm sorry about that. I was asked some direct questions and answered them as I saw fit.

The main reason for the thread was to hear the opinions of other people and get 'links' to some of THEIR favorite political/philosophical sites. I did not mean to sound 'preachy': it just sort happened that way.

Anyways, I'm not sorry that you entered the thread.

 

[killthesunshine]

what is God?

Is God the product of idealogues, or is He a true entity? Does He exist outside the mind on man, outside of man's fears and insecurity :eek: :eek:

WHERE IS THE PROOF!!???!!!??!!

 

[killthesunshine]

Believe in God HA!

...a God who could make good children as easily a bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave is angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice, and invented hell--mouths mercy, and invented hell--mouths Golden Rules and foregiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people, and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites his poor abused slave to worship him!
- No. 44, The Mysterious Stranger


HA!

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from acronym:


It doesn't matter a fuck what you believe people, it don't make it true...



...there is no heaven, no hell, no nothing.
Just renewal and regeneration...

I totally agree with the first statement, although it sure seems to (potentially) contradict your next statement.

 

[MohdSalleh]

Yes, there is God, but it is not what you think.

God is not the object of your devotion, rather he is the subject. god is your devotee who does everything for you.

This is what I, Mohammad Bin Salleh, thinks about this sordid affair.

 

[OddTrader]

Sometimes I think God must blind peoples eyes to his existence. If i see a painting, i know there was a painter. I dont have to see the painter to know he existed or that he was the one that painted it.

If i see a building, i know there was a builder. I dont need to see the builder to know that he built it.

People that dont believe in God will for some reason try to ignore common sense. How can anyone look at the complexities of any living thing and examine it down to its cells or even lower down to its DNA and say that it just happened without a creator. I mean if that was true, then how come paintings dont paint themselves? Or how come buildings dont build themselves? Paintings and buildings are so much LESS complex than any living thing.

Funny thing is, that if God does blind peoples eyes to his existence, then the atheists that read this will completely not grasp anything I said, nor will they even try to think with any meaning of what i have just said. They will probably quickly try to tell me that i just dont understand science, or that I should read a book. (as if I havent read the same books they have on the subject)

Good direction indeed!

 

[piezoe]

Humanism is logically incompatible with atheism. If you are an atheist you are god, you make up your own morals according to your own understanding. Hitler was a true atheist in this sense because he saw fit to shape the world in his image!

You are logically incompatible with logic.