Do any Hillary supporters care about what Wikileaks has shown?

[AAAintheBeltway]

Whereas you are a degenerate idiot who calls himself American but lives in Canada. We don't want filth like you in our country. Leave. If you were identified here, people would spit on you not on "liberals" that you detest and rail against on here. Surely if you believe all your shit, you should move back to the US. Mark my words, 99% of Canadians want you out of our country, you don't respect our value system or country. Win-Win, get the fuck out.

Typical of the blind hate and anger of the hard left, ready to resort to violence on a moment's notice if they have a mob of thugs to back them up.

 

[achilles28]

Whereas you are a degenerate idiot who calls himself American but lives in Canada. We don't want filth like you in our country. Leave. If you were identified here, people would spit on you not on "liberals" that you detest and rail against on here. Surely if you believe all your shit, you should move back to the US. Mark my words, 99% of Canadians want you out of our country, you don't respect our value system or country. Win-Win, get the fuck out.

Go suck a big white dick, sweetheart

 

[piezoe]

What is it about Johnson you dislike so much? Can't win? Like the old restuarant nobody goes to anymore because it is too crowded?
oh well, all Cabinet members should keep a server in their bathroom becuse it is now legal.

I don't know enough about Johnson to give him a far hearing. Tell us what you like about his positions. I will listen.

 

[piezoe]

Typical of the blind hate and anger of the hard left, ready to resort to violence on a moment's notice if they have a mob of thugs to back them up.

This has been a divisive and reckless campaign. Not good for any of us. Trump started out on the wrong foot by insulting his colleagues. It's been downhill since. You've made an attempt to be objective, I appreciate that, even when I don't agree.

 

[CaptainObvious]

You know I have changed my mind a bit about Hillary. I was a Bernie supporter, as you probably know. I had some strong disagreements with him on an issue or two but overall I was pleased with his positions. And I was against Hillary because I thought it was a very bad idea to have these dynasties, like Adams and Adams, Bush and Bush, and now Bill and Hillary. But on closer examination, I'm not sure that this is a logical reason to reject her. Yes I much preferred Sanders over Clinton. But I really don't think my dynasty objection stands up very well to scrutiny. She is unabashedly and terribly ambitious, and some of us may be automatically turned off by that -- though that attitude doesn't stand up well to scrutiny either. She is also smart, experienced, and articulate. The latter is something Trump is not. He does not seem to have any understanding of issues beyond the surface. I don't think he reads. And he's been a very shitty business man. He has had like six bankruptcies, has a reputation for not honoring contracts, and just seems to be a horrible person to do business with judging by the hundreds of law suits, and all those who have said he did not pay them for agreed upon work. I'm not crazy about Hillary, but she knows how government works and she seems to listen. At least she listened to Bernie and his supporters. I admit I find her a bit annoying at times and I think John Kerry has been a better Secretary of State.

As far as all those so called scandals go, I've never seen anything to convince me that she ever did anything intentionally illegal. She had some good friends in the right places and some information that you or I would have liked to have had, but I don't think there was anything illegal. You know when you're an ivy league graduate and you meet the sons and daughters of some very wealthy folks, and then later you're married to the governor, doors that are shut to most can open for you. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/whitewater/stories/wwtr940527.htm)

A lot has been made of her injudicious handling of email, and it was. But there is nothing there to be prosecuted, certainly not successfully. If you examine the cases where there was a successful prosecution or big fine (e.g., Petraeus) you'll find substantial differences. The government produces copius classified documents and only a tiny fraction of those really need to be. (see for example, "Secrecy" by Daniel Patrick Moynihan and also http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...revives-accusation-double-standard-between-c/)

I'm not crazy about Hillary but she is qualified and she could turn out to be a very good President. She's not my choice but C'mon, what choice do we have. IMO she is an OK choice, whereas a Trump Presidency scares the daylights out of me. If my basis for comparison is Donald Trump, then yes, Hillary is a far better choice.

You sound like Comey citing a litany of reasons to prosecute, or in your case not support, and then astonishingly shrugging your shoulders and falling right in line behind her. Clinton is the epitome, the poster child for everything wrong with our government. Sanders, whatever one thinks of his ideology, was demanding dramatic changes. The DNC and their media minions decided to rig a already flawed system and anoint Hillary. You cannot possibly want the change Sanders was advocating and then support such a status quo, business as usualy hack like Clinton and have any real credibility.

 

[jem]

so clear. so correct.
If I thought sanders could have enacted real leftist reform, I might have voted for him. because we can't get anything good at of the right because the establishment politicians are not really giving us any of the things we vote for.

But... we don't get any of the good from the left but the taxes and regulation and big restrictive govt.

Imagine if we removed health care from businesses (their profits would boom and they could expand and hire and invest) and we had single payer for base coverage with vouchers and options to buy better plans.

This is just an example of how the left and the right could work together for a better country for its citizens.

You sound like Comey citing a litany of reasons to prosecute, or in your case not support, and then astonishingly shrugging your shoulders and falling right in line behind her. Clinton is the epitome, the poster child for everything wrong with our government. Sanders, whatever one thinks of his ideology, was demanding dramatic changes. The DNC and their media minions decided to rig a already flawed system and anoint Hillary. You cannot possibly want the change Sanders was advocating and then support such a status quo, business as usualy hack like Clinton and have any real credibility.

 

[piezoe]

You sound like Comey citing a litany of reasons to prosecute, or in your case not support, and then astonishingly shrugging your shoulders and falling right in line behind her. Clinton is the epitome, the poster child for everything wrong with our government. Sanders, whatever one thinks of his ideology, was demanding dramatic changes. The DNC and their media minions decided to rig a already flawed system and anoint Hillary. You cannot possibly want the change Sanders was advocating and then support such a status quo, business as usualy hack like Clinton and have any real credibility.

I guess I would be one of those half-heartedly supporting her. And for the reason you have nicely pointed out. She does represent, to many of us anyway, business as usual when we were hoping for meaningful change. And as we learned, Sanders was not treated fairly by the DNC. Clinton has to bear some responsibility for that. She did however modify her positions somewhat in obvious response to the successes of the Sanders campaign. It looks like we will both get to see if there is any sincerity in her as it appears highly likely she will be in charge come next January.

 

[fhl]

Leaked emails show Clinton professing different messages to Wall Street and the public on trade
http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-emails-clinton-private-speech-trade-2016-10

WIKILEAKS: Hillary Clinton Speeches Include Cues on When to 'Smile'

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

This has been a divisive and reckless campaign. Not good for any of us. Trump started out on the wrong foot by insulting his colleagues. It's been downhill since. You've made an attempt to be objective, I appreciate that, even when I don't agree.

I'll be honest with you. I think our country is on the edge here. Forget this election, I'm talking about the dangerous trend of suppression of free speech and the free thought behind it. Sadly, our universities are the biggest hotbeds of such censorship, so much so that repression and punishment of conservative ideas is a core value for many of them.

While the media attempt to paint Trump as a dangerous menace to dissent, we all know that it is the progressives who use violence as a political tactic. Who in their right mind would put a Trump sticker on their car, knowing that some college punk might feel justified in vandalizing your car? After all, Trump is Hitler. Punks terrorized an older woman who had the temerity to have a Trump yard sign, even spray painting her house.

Social media have shown themselves to be more concerned about suppressing speech they disagree with than ethics or intellectual integrity. After all, when your peers and big media support you, what's the problem?

We are on a course that does not end well.

 

[Spike Trader]

Romney 2011 :


"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?..." Romney proudly told a cheering crowd of supporters, to explain why he has flip-flopped on so many positions over the years.