Dire Warning About Secular Progressivism In America

Quote from stu:

In other words, when shit happens or there is uncertainty , you're better off on your knees with your eyes closed rather than doing something.
In my book and with or without faith , wandering in the wilderness with a practical workable 'theory', beats flailing around hoping for some imaginary afterlife fantasy to workout.

No. I am of the belief that faith without works is dead. You're too quick to lump all who disagree with you into the same category. We're not all banging our heads on the floor 5 times a day, or whipping ourselves bloody at some wall. It is possible to have a belief system in a Creator without being so fanatical that one cannot see the possibility that they may be wrong.
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

It is possible to have a belief system in a Creator without being so fanatical that one cannot see the possibility that they may be wrong.

I think many more have doubts about their faith than we know. It would seem almost impossible for an intelligent person not to have serious questions about their religious beliefs. Oh sorry MM I should have said "religious opinions", is that better?
 
Quote from bigarrow:

I think many more have doubts about their faith than we know. It would seem almost impossible for an intelligent person not to have serious questions about their religious beliefs. Oh sorry MM I should have said "religious opinions", is that better?

Oh, you'll have to take that up with Websters.....

I'm barely bright enough to read the dictionary and understand the definition....

:D
 
Quote from pspr:

See what I mean about your nonsense? That makes no sense whatsoever.

That'll be because you can't or won't accept you made a self-contradictory self-defeating statement, and then followed up trying to blame bigarrow for the same mistake you, not him, had already made.
Seriously, what don't you get?
 
Quote from stu:

That'll be because you can't or won't accept you made a self-contradictory self-defeating statement, and then followed up trying to blame bigarrow for the same mistake you, not him, had already made.
If I had you would be quoting it. All I see are your hollow statements.

I asked the arrow a question about his statement which he has been unable to answer. What this has to do with you is anyone's guess. You just seem to butt in with out any knowledge or insight at all.

In other words, you just don't have a clue what you are talking about. It's obvious to all stu. get over yourself.
 
Quote from pspr:

If I had you would be quoting it. All I see are your hollow statements.

I asked the arrow a question about his statement which he has been unable to answer. What this has to do with you is anyone's guess. You just seem to butt in with out any knowledge or insight at all.

In other words, you just don't have a clue what you are talking about. It's obvious to all stu. get over yourself.

My statement was 100% in response to YOUR statement. It had nothing to do with my opinions, except in regard to my opinion about your statement. Don't know why you're too dense to understand that.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

My statement was 100% in response to YOUR statement. It had nothing to do with my opinions, except in regard to my opinion about your statement. Don't know why you're too dense to understand that.
This is your statement
Quote from bigarrow:

You are right in two of those assumptions, Our comprehension of infinity is limited and we have to die. The third that we will understand after death is pure fantasy. So you're two outa three.
I merely asked you how you know understanding after death is pure fantasy as you stated.

So, far you have no reply and keep falsely reframing the question. I can only assume you are either very ignorant or you are ashamed of your beliefs.

You don't need to keep dragging this on page after page. I already have my answer as demonstrated by your very squirming post after post.
 
This is the problem.

In high school and college, everybody goes through a rebellious streak - questioning everything.

So did I - I saw religion as dogmatic, often fanatical, etc, etc, etc....

So I saw some folks would gravitate to atheism. But as I assailed religion with pointed criticisms - I did not spare atheism either.

Even back then I saw its inherent contradiction. It was so basic, I wondered why no one brought it up.

Since then I sometimes would listen to Hitchens or read a Dawkins article - and nothing about it. Nada.

Maybe they had too much invested in it, emotionally, economically, whatever....

Just like....religions......

So atheists claim to approach the question of God and religion scientifically and criticize accordingly - but spare themselves that self-same criticism in evaluating their own Faith. :D

No thanks.

Religion has its problems, fer sur.... but atheism is a counterargument built on sand.

IMO :D
 
I look at this issue this way, even though in doing so I'm probably falling victim to the "Enlightenment Fallacy: if there were something worthwhile, other than perhaps a mountain of money, that could not be gained by means more rational then steadfast believe in the supernatural, then religion needn't be defended, because it would be unlikely to be attacked, at least not successfully.

On the other hand, a brief consideration of the uncountable horrors and heinous crimes against humanity visited on the world by just two of its popular religions, Christianity and Islam, should give any thinking person pause.

Were Isaac Newton, Max Planck, Blaise Pascal and Galileo Galilei alive today, there is not a scintilla of doubt in my mind that they would think of religion as Einstein did.

On the other hand it is hard to get a man to understand when his pay depends on not understanding. Were Mr. O'Reilly to become an outspoken advocate for atheism, I wonder how long he would last on Mr.Ailes network?
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