Did shortboy.com bite the dust?

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Quote from ronbgelf:

over a 3 1/2 years period, Shortboy made about +80% cumulative, while the S&P lost -32% over the same period. Those are great results. Huge.

Quote from ronbgelf:

Haven't seen a post today. Wouldn't he respond to this thread? I suppose Babak had inside information saying "bites the dust".

My guess is vinny has bought the dust on this board!

ronbgelf (er...I mean Vinny)

welcome back!

Some were beginning to miss you after you mysteriously disappeared after 90% of people voted that it was your fault you "Flew off the handle"

Link:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13371
 
Quote from GeeTO69:

HAHAHHAHAHAHHA ANOTHE MF'ER BITES THE DUST!! HAHAHAHA

I LOVE IT..

THAT'S WHAT BEAR MARKETS DOOOOO..


THATS WHY WE NEEED BEAR MARKETS...


an avowed short-side trader blows out in a bear market?

now that's funny! :D
 
Quote from ryanmitcho:

well, no that isn't- but modifying the original gif to make it a dancing shortboy is just plain goofy.
like Rearden Metal said, the dancing stick figure i posted is found on the shortboy site. i didn't modify any images at all...
 
Quote from ronbgelf:

This is a moderator starting this thread! The poll choices appear to be quite biased.

I would have voted for "C", "he moved on to manage money". That's my guess. Let me point out that there is a page of links on the site:

http://www.shortboy.com/link_frm.htm

which can link you to a book written by 2 wharton grads (real and verified), and there's a link to Forbes "best of the web", where shortboy is again featured. I have followed the site, quite profitably I may add, and there were also positive mentions in the Wall St. Journal. He also made money each year doing something very difficult. He picked out stocks the night before, and was forced to stick to specific buy and sell points, without the ability to modify them during the trading day.

It befuddles me to ask why there are those on the board who wish to bash those accomplishments. To me, those accomplishments speak for themselves. Any of you start a website that appeared in the Journal, or Forbes or a book??? It ain't easy. He deserves alot of CREDIT!





Adam Leitzes and Joshua Solan were the authors of the Forbes article....... and the book. That claim would carry more weight if the write up was written by different authors.

Elitetrader readers are still waiting for an explanation about

how Shortboy had over $300,000 worth of positions when he had a $100,000 portfolio as Tony Oz pointed out in an older thread.

Explain that in detail and shortboy will earn more respect. It is possible that the authors didn't request an audited track record before writing about Shortboy.
 
Know I shouldn't stick my nose in here, but I have a thought.

rtharp, I believe they call what you're specifically referring to as a "margin call" on Wall street..

I got 2 last year, and did not suffer at all, and I wasn't thrown in jail either! After you get a few, you definitely should not get more once you're warned.

My account was real, it appears shortboy's is a cyberspace account. Wasn't shortboy.com all about specific trade calls? Are you questioning the validity of these calls as they are laid out?
 
"The #'s don't add up on Shortboy when you look at what was shown" says rtharp.

I can't address it more clearly than this. Show me one single trade (of the hundreds) that was made over the 3 1/2 year time period that is illegitimate. show one.

Every trade was real, and meticulously calculated on the site as well. The transparency of the trades is crystal clear.

If anyone wants to read the "thread in question", they will see that NONE OF IT ever questions the INTEGRITY of the trades.

Don't pull the old, "the #-s don't add up b/c tony oz says so." schpiel. SHOW which numbers, and point out a violation. Pulease.
 
Quote from Gordon Gekko:


like Rearden Metal said, the dancing stick figure i posted is found on the shortboy site. i didn't modify any images at all...

relax, gekko, i'm just busting your balls. you seem to post a lot while not finding a real trading edge- i've heard you complain that making money in the market is tough. it is, but, if you spent some of the time doing research to find an edge instead of posting so much on ET, you will have more success making your P/L positive. cheers. :D
 
Quote from TonyOz:



I I don't want to beat a dead horse, but there is a website claiming a hefty returns for 2001, but in reality, they actually lost on a percentage basis for 2001. How do you find this to be better than a free trial to a service? In other words, what prevents anyone from posting a bogus record on their website. Now, I'm not accusing the website you are endorsing of wrong doing, but how does a newbie know if the returns a real or not?

Check this out:

[img ]="http://www.tonyoz.com/shortb/z-shortboy1.gif[/img]

the claim made that an account was started with 100K on 1/2/01 on which returns of 30.8% were achieved. Sounds good, doesn't it?

<img src="http://www.tonyoz.com/shortb/f-shortboy1.gif">

the above trade record shows transactions in 5 stocks on 4/5/01 for a total dollar amount of $318,875 quite a bit over 100K isn't it. But there is more.

<img src="http://www.tonyoz.com/shortb/z-shortboy2.gif">

On Friday, September 7th 2001. A subscriber to the service confirms that xxxx is going to reduce his account size to 100K. This means that up to this point there was more money than 100K. Interesting, isn't it?

<img src="http://www.tonyoz.com/shortb/f-shortboy4.gif">

The above screen shot shows the profit as of 9/17 at $42,920. Since we all know that the market was closed from 9/11-9/17 and given the sizeable gains in the trades we can conclude that these trades were entered prior to the account size being reduced to 100K. So 42,920 divided by 500K which was the account size is equal 8.6% or if you annualize it since it was achieved in 257 days it will be 12.21%. Beautiful :)

<img src="http://www.tonyoz.com/shortb/f-shortboy5.gif">

The above screen shot shows the profit for the year. Please note that the profit is down from 42,920 to 30,790. In other words, the account was down 12,130. No a big deal right? WRONG! Since we all know that shortboy reduced his account size to 100K after 9/17, the loss of 12,130 represents a 12.13% loss in 108 days. Now, if you annualize it, you will get 40.1% loss.

There isn't anyway that you will weigh these two return numbers together that will not yield in a loss. Yet his website claims 30.8% GAIN.

Now why did I go through the trouble to point this out? I did so simply because I strongly believe that unless a trading record represents ALL ACTUAL EXECUTED TRADES (straight out of the brokerage statements) by whomever is behind that website then those returns are nothing more than fiction. After all, they are not real are they?

Sincerely,

Tony

Quote from Babak:

Tony, I was away and didn´t have access to the net before. I think this is another way that shortboy.com manipulates his returns:


In 2001 (up to 8/30/01) int income: 14417 his total income 42760
So 34% of his profit was not from trading




Quote from TonyOz:



This is just priceless. My average interest paid on cash was 2.1% in 2001. How did shortboy manage to make 14,417 on a 100K account.

This is 14.41% in interest in 8 eight months (the equivalent of 21.65% a year)

How does he get TEN TIMES the going rate?

This is as bogus as bogus can be!

You see guys, someone is playing with the numbers of PAPER TRADING returns to lure you in. Be careful!

EOM


I'd say a few trades are being questioned in the above quotes from previous threads.


How do you earn interest of 24% when the going broker margin rate is less than 1% and you have over 100% of your portfolio in stocks?


Where can I find such a broker that I can go and put 103% + of my portfolio in stocks and earn 24% interest?
 
tony oz "Now why did I go through the trouble to point this out? I did so simply because I strongly believe that unless a trading record represents ALL ACTUAL EXECUTED TRADES (straight out of the brokerage statements)"

All executed trades are represented for the entire 3 1/2 years, and I read the entire tony oz statement, and I dont see a single SPECIFIC trade questioned.

JUST GIVE ME A SINGLE ticker symbol and date ie ABC on 2/3 was not real. He doesn't, You don't.

This is the same old BS. Yes, one a single day in 2001 the positions may have generated a margin call, but so what? Shortboy.com was online 3 1/2 years. That's alot of trades that have never been questioned on this board. And with all the anti-shortboy stuff here, if ANYTHING IMPROPER WAS DONE, YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN IT PLASTERED HERE..

You get a margin call, and you then make sure you dont get another. All tony points out is that there was not enough funds in the account on a single day, so a margin call was generated. Tony definitely has a future in back office operations.

ALL OF THE TRADES ON SHORTBOY.COM WERE REAL, and never once has the veracity been questioned. The only assertion tony oz makes, "there was a margin call" on a day. O.k. great.

read the tony oz thread yourself. just a margin call from cyberspace.
 
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