Desperation

i find it troublin' that u say u were taught a supposed system u could learn in 5minutes [by a very altruistic eter, ror] and that now u are makin' already good money, i cant believe that for a second. your latest posts smell bad, hope u prove me wrong.
 
Those that need so much help are beyond help. And this is certainly not a business for leaning on others.

The trouble is that noobs and previous failures say they are asking for advice when what they only want is new encouragement in their failed 'limp dick' quest or in their unrealistic dreamscape.

Not news: failure at succeeding is a constant for all but the few. But nevertheless most may well do good enough but only as employees.

Bottom line: the real world.
:)
 
Quote from bluedemon77:

... But I cannot understand the motivation of anyone to post messages that basically say "I've found the secret to successful trading and I'm making a bazillion dollars a day with it, but I'm not going to tell anybody else how I do it, just how clever I am for developing it." I also cannot understand HGL's motivation to tell us all about this mysterious angel who gave him the key to being successful. Then, how despite his agreement to keep this advice confidential and being too busy with his new job to trade, he goes out of his way to keep this thread going. I don't get it. What's the point?

Chuck

Chuck,

You question my motivation. I guess it was a) to show him some appreciation (I actually told him I would at some point. b) A lot of people invested time and effort into reading and responding to this thread; I felt they deserved an update. c) I just kind of think it's nice that there are still people out there who take the time to help others.

As far as him having asked me to keep it confidential, that's the truth -- what does it have to do with readdressing this thread?

As far as being so busy with my new job -- I have been. That's what has prevented me from updating this thread earlier. I don't think it's nice when people start a thread asking for advice, receive it, and then just abandon it. It's a courtesy to respond to those who took the time to respond to you, and keep them abreast, IMHO.

I hope this makes some sense, Chuck.
 
Quote from Pekelo:

That thread was started by my modesty, and was called a classic by some members. But beside that, you obviously missed its point:

There is a HUGE difference between asking for directions to X street or what kind of monitor should you buy and putting you up in a hotel for the rest of your life for free.

Information is the most important commodity. The correct and timely information can save your life, supposed you have cancer and it is recognized early. It can also make money for you.

You basicly asked for information about a skill that can make you earn a living. Give me just one example where you can get similar information for free, because I would like to give it to homeless or unemployed people.

You don't go to a university and ask them to educate you for free, do you? And you don't ask a carpenter to teach you carpentry either.

If you got useful advice from ETers, good for you. I assume it was more the pity factor rather then anything else, because you are not the first to ask for mentoring. I think I gave you useful advice in this thread too.

I forgot the details of your story and I don't feel like rereading it, but if I recall correctly trading was not really for you. I think you should stick to something else....

And that is the best advice anybody can give you on this board...

Pekelo,

I'm not sure how you interpreted what I asked for -- indeed, I myself am not sure exactly what I was looking for. What I received, and I am grateful for ('pity factor' or otherwise) is some great advice on-thread (including yours), some eye-opening challenges that forced me to rethink and readdress how I approach trading -- which are worth at least as much as the advice. And some great advice off-thread, with some people sharing with me different ways to approach the market that I hadn't considered before, including what symbols to watch, what to look for, etc.

Is it a free lunch? Not really (at least I don't think so). I've come to realize that there is no set of rules that will instantly change my trading unless I put the time, effort, and work into it. But this thread, I hope, has given me a sense of direction, and the confidence to keep working at it, despite your emminent judgement that, "I think you should stick to something else... And that is the best advice anybody can give you on this board..." You're entitled to your opinion; I just hope others are not as quick to judge you as you do others (ref. Thunderdog's post, and Lescor, who went through a similar situation to mine, and once turning the corner, never looked back).
 
Quote from nkhoi:

one, there is the guardian angel, two, you don't have to look far for the clues, Mr. "T" & "A" , get it :D

Not sure I do get it. Sorry.

Edit: Do you mean T & A like Technical Analysis?
 
Quote from GTS:

Anyway, it sounds like you've turned a corner; good luck with your trading.

GTS,

I missed the last part of your post. I do feel like I've turned a corner, though I've still got a long path ahead of me. Good luck to you too.
 
Quote from ChiBondKing:

I would think missing the bubble in the 90's would be considered a blessing. Being able to make a quick buck in a one way market would have instilled that "yes, I know what i'm doing, and I'm a trader"

.. and we all know what happened to the johnny-come-latelies during that bubble.

I thank my lucky stars that I had to get the sh*t beaten out of me during the bond chop a few years ago. Made me explore all kinds of different avenues, and now, I have a much broader understanding of not just tsys, but how a lot of things correlate and work in tandem.

good luck,
cbk

(back to lurking)

ChiBondKing,

I agree with you -- I don't regret missing the tech bubble. And I do wish I had missed that bond collapse, but them's the breaks. Good luck to you too.
 
Quote from Bitstream:

i find it troublin' that u say u were taught a supposed system u could learn in 5minutes [by a very altruistic eter, ror] and that now u are makin' already good money, i cant believe that for a second. your latest posts smell bad, hope u prove me wrong.

Hi Bitstream,

That was a copy of his PM. He said he could teach it to me in 5 minutes. In reality, we spoke for about 2 hours or more on the phone, going over the day's trades, and him explaining some of the nuances about how he trades. And as I said, for me, that's just the beginning. Now I've begun papertrading it, and backtesting it. After papertrading it for a few days, there's no question that I'm not ready to begin trading it with real money yet; as is always the case, things that appear obvious to someone who has been trading a certain stock in a certain way for some time aren't obvious to one who is just beginning to watch it, despite receiving guidance from an experienced trader.

I'm not sure if you saw my post, but I also did not say I am already making money. In fact, due to the advice of many even-keeled ETr's, among other factors, I'm not trading real money at all now, as I think I said. I was referring to the couple days I sim-traded the system.

Hope that clears things up.
 
Quote from Cheese:

Those that need so much help are beyond help. And this is certainly not a business for leaning on others.

The trouble is that noobs and previous failures say they are asking for advice when what they only want is new encouragement in their failed 'limp dick' quest or in their unrealistic dreamscape.

Not news: failure at succeeding is a constant for all but the few. But nevertheless most may well do good enough but only as employees.

Bottom line: the real world.
:)

Cheese,

Despite your somewhat crass way of making your point :), I think it is well-taken. Something I and others should consider when asking for advice. By the time I posted the first post on this thread, I already knew, to some extent, that what I was looking for and what I really needed weren't necessarily one-and-the-same. Still, the process of posting, listening, responding, receving criticism, encouragement, and advice, has been helpful to me. I hope there are others who have benefitted as well.
 
Quote from HappyGoLucky:

I myself am not sure exactly what I was looking for.

First problem, you should know what you want. If you don't know, how should we?


Is it a free lunch? Not really (at least I don't think so).


Just take my word for it, it is. Second problem, you have problems with reality.


I just hope others are not as quick to judge you as you do others


It wasn't a quick judgement. It was an evaluation based on your posts and story. It seems you haven't been improving, you don't know what you want and you have problems with the truth.
Not to mention all the trading mistakes...


(ref. Thunderdog's post, and Lescor, who went through a similar situation to mine, and once turning the corner, never looked back).


If he did, I am happy for him. But in cases like yours, examples like his can be a bad thing, because it can make you believe that you can do the same. Some people are just not made to be a trader, carpenter or whatever.

Well, I am willing to try an experience with you. I am going to PM you one of my systems. It is stupifyingly simple. Let's see what you can do with it. I only ask in return to give me feedback how you did with it. Deal?
 
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