DeSantis for the win

[Tsing Tao]

Florida's Sunshine law cares about the data. The DeSantis administration is require to publicly release the data supporting their decisions. Where is the data?

Explain to us --- once again -- why DeSantis does not follow the law. How many lawsuits has the DeSantis administration lost now regarding their refusal to release data? Dozens? How many hundreds of thousands of dollars has the DeSantis administration spent on losing lawsuits where they attempted to hide government data and refuse to release it?

If it is the law, surely someone can get him to release it, right?

If they can't, surely they can prosecute him for it, right?

Never saw a non-Floridian so ass-chapped over a governor not their state's.

 

[gwb-trading]

You were going to bring up what? And why should you wait on evidence before making claims? Are you turning over a new leaf or something?

Unlike you... I always wait on supporting mainstream data or articles before making claims. This is why nearly all of my posts include a mainstream article or study as a source. You can feel free to argue the information presented in the article or study.

You just post unsupported Crud from idiots on Twitter and blogs -- most which are dedicated to pushing a continuous stream of deliberate misinformation. After a "source" has multiple failed fact checks there is no purpose in debating information from very low quality sources -- you know the ones you prefer.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

I was going to bring that up at some point... but am waiting for some type of evidence that DeSantis & others was demanding campaign contributions from the text book publishers or some other malarkey before making any claims about anything shady.

Well, if it were a good shakedown then there would not likely be any evidence forthcoming. I only noted the possibility because the claims so obviously don't comport with the facts.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Unlike you... I always wait on supporting mainstream data or articles before making claims. This is why nearly all of my posts include a mainstream article or study as a source. You can feel free to argue the information presented in the article or study.

You just post unsupported Crud from idiots on Twitter and blogs -- most which are dedicated to pushing a continuous stream of deliberate misinformation. After a "source" has multiple failed fact checks there is no purpose in debating information from very low quality sources -- you know the ones you prefer.

Supposed misinformation that you are unable to disprove, but just whine about.

Oh, and I found a picture of all the people looking for DeSantis to publish the list of books:

 

[gwb-trading]

Math Book Publishers Are Stunned by Florida's 'Indoctrination' Claim
State did not give specific explanations or examples for rejecting nearly half of the math textbooks proposed for the upcoming school year.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...hting-back-after-florida-rejects-textbooks-fo

 

[gwb-trading]

Cannot or will not? Sounds to me like he simply isn't adhering to the requests because he knows (rightfully so) that any answer he gives to the woke mob (you are included here) won't be good enough no matter what. So why try? I actually applaud him for ignoring you and yours. Weep and gnash all the teeth you want, we don't give a fuck.

Reporter gets ahold of the math textbooks banned by Florida for indoctrination. Among them, a middle school book banned for including profiles of 2 black mathematicians .

Lengthy Twitter thread going through eight of the rejected math books.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1517120717023846400

https://twitter.com/x/status/1517121456144015360

Inside the "dangerous" math textbooks DeSantis claims would "indoctrinate students"
https://popular.info/p/inside-the-dangerous-math-textbooks?s=w

 

[Tsing Tao]

Reporter gets ahold of the math textbooks banned by Florida for indoctrination. Among them, a middle school book banned for including profiles of 2 black mathematicians .

Lengthy Twitter thread going through eight of the rejected math books.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1517120717023846400

https://twitter.com/x/status/1517121456144015360

Inside the "dangerous" math textbooks DeSantis claims would "indoctrinate students"
https://popular.info/p/inside-the-dangerous-math-textbooks?s=w

So I thought you said they didn't release a list, and that Sunshine Law this and transparency that....

But your article (or the one mentioned) says:

Florida eventually released a list of the 26 math textbooks rejected for "prohibited concepts" (the remainder were rejected for other reasons) but there was no information explaining the rejection.
​

As for the rest of the article, several points should be considered:

1. The article says it reviewed 8 of the 26 books, and said there was nothing there that should be considered worthy of adoption refusal. We are supposed to take the article's word for it, of course.

2. The article acknowledges that the books contain "SEL - Selective-Emotional Learning" which the article says "right wing activists claim that SEL is the same as CRT, but it isn't". Once again, we are supposed to take the article's word that this is so.

3. The entire argument of what in SEL is acceptable and what in CRT is acceptable and whether one crosses into the other is subjective. Meaning my boundaries are different than yours as to what would be considered acceptable. Since the government of Florida has the responsibility to decide, it is their subjectivity we must all accept. Just like every other state. If we do not like it, we should vote out the politicians deciding. So far, it would appear the residents of Florida accept the judgment of DeSantis if polling is a proxy for their feelings.

4. the article admits:

There are some discussions of race and racial inequality, but they are used to illustrate mathematical concepts.
​

That this is "no big deal" to the author of the article has nothing to do with whether Florida finds it acceptable. Florida likely wants to focus solely on math without any of this in their textbooks. As a parent of a child attending a Florida public school, I agree.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Democrat politicians throwing tantrums as the Florida House passes the bill. Have a listen, and try - do your best - to remember that these are supposedly adults.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1517190757479849987

 

[gwb-trading]

So I thought you said they didn't release a list, and that Sunshine Law this and transparency that....

But your article (or the one mentioned) says:

Florida eventually released a list of the 26 math textbooks rejected for "prohibited concepts" (the remainder were rejected for other reasons) but there was no information explaining the rejection.
​

As for the rest of the article, several points should be considered:

1. The article says it reviewed 8 of the 26 books, and said there was nothing there that should be considered worthy of adoption refusal. We are supposed to take the article's word for it, of course.

2. The article acknowledges that the books contain "SEL - Selective-Emotional Learning" which the article says "right wing activists claim that SEL is the same as CRT, but it isn't". Once again, we are supposed to take the article's word that this is so.

3. The entire argument of what in SEL is acceptable and what in CRT is acceptable and whether one crosses into the other is subjective. Meaning my boundaries are different than yours as to what would be considered acceptable. Since the government of Florida has the responsibility to decide, it is their subjectivity we must all accept. Just like every other state. If we do not like it, we should vote out the politicians deciding. So far, it would appear the residents of Florida accept the judgment of DeSantis if polling is a proxy for their feelings.

4. the article admits:

There are some discussions of race and racial inequality, but they are used to illustrate mathematical concepts.
​

That this is "no big deal" to the author of the article has nothing to do with whether Florida finds it acceptable. Florida likely wants to focus solely on math without any of this in their textbooks. As a parent of a child attending a Florida public school, I agree.

Here is a proper Florida math lesson for you...

 

[Tsing Tao]

Here is a proper Florida math lesson for you...

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Or this one:

Rodney Moore

Representative Moore from North Carolina received $141,000 from a mob boss that he called "uncle Sal". Uncle Sal is a long time friend of the family and knew a guy who knew a guy that thought he could help Moore out during the campaign. If the money is in small bills, does that mean Moore has to report it as a campaign contribution?