It is my understanding that they usually are, as the natural evolution of the virus is to eventually survive with its host. But I am not an expert.
DeSantis for the win
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It is my understanding that they usually are, as the natural evolution of the virus is to eventually survive with its host. But I am not an expert.
My point is more general that he keeps talking about "low risk" people and a decent number of those encounter serious health issues if they get the virus. And as one expert noted the other day, even if young people have a very, very small risk themselves percentage wise, across the nation that's still a lot of people who have unfortunate results. And these young people tend to more easily spread the disease to others who are higher risk. That latter point concerning schools may be a big one actually.
With the improvements in research, treatments being developed, and more knowledgeable health care workers now, I think it is imperative to control the damage now. Things will get better. A staged opening up with occasional retreats in troublesome locations will work imo.
I pointed out multiple discrepancies in the Florida state portal over time. Many of them more than two weeks in the past so any "updates" could be provided (to deaths, cases, etc.). I have seen no reasonable explanation for any of the discrepancies from anyone in this forum.
It appears the Florida state portal showing more people were tested (than the other sources show) is simply an attempt to keep the positive rate low. Since the U.S. for the week of July 5th to 11th only tested 1,650,662 people; It is mind boggling that the Florida state portal claims that over 500,000 of those tested this week were in Florida -- this would be 1/3 of the national total and ignores that fact that figures of testing from other states easily add up to over 1.3 million tests for the same week.
The Florida state portal totals of the tests per week at various testing sites appear to diverge from the state portal numbers. Maybe the Florida portal intended to display the cumulative tests performed over time -- but they don't present it as such. The graph clearly is claiming that Florida tested over 500,00 people the week of July 5th to 11th. A perfect example of the misleading data provided on the Florida state portal.
While we are at it - let's see what the John Hopkins site shows for COVID testing in Florida.
You can easily find another dozen respected mainstream sites that align with the Rebekah Jones portal for COVID testing in Florida and disagree with the Florida state portal.
I expect the state portal should be transparent enough to clearly explain where they get their data from. Certainly the Rebekah Jones portal clearly explains where the data for each and every item comes from with backing information to prove it -- information for the data feeds can be found at - https://floridacovidaction.com/library/ It is time for the Florida state portal to do the same.
I will note that the media has been highly critical of the state of Florida COVID portal after the DeSantis administration started to interfere with information that was presented -- including the hospitalization data disappearing from the portal the day after DeSantis was questioned about it as a briefing where the hospitalization data disagreed with his assertions.
I am not touting one source over another. I am point out the discrepancies on the state portal between what is provided in the AHCA report, the Florida hospital administrators reports, and the DOH daily report when comparing to the state COVID portal. I provided specific examples before showing discrepancies for values on the same date -- both for items in the recent two weeks and for items greater than two weeks old.
Lack of transparency in COVID information in the middle of a public health crisis is unacceptable. Only a small number of states have any problems will their state portal figures - most of them due apparently to politically motivated interference. Expecting transparency in data provided by the government is not "doom-casting"; it is accountability.
A state government that refuses to share its public health data with university medical researchers (since they may audit the figures) and had stopped providing updates to first responders (since they posted compilation maps that differed from the state for the number of cases) --- is simply disturbing.
Certainly we will continue to disagree on this topic. I expect that more will come out in the upcoming weeks from further media investigation of the whistleblower case -- including the assertion that there were multiple witnesses to a DeSantis DOH public appointee telling Rebekah Jones in late April to not show any COVID positive test rate above 10% no matter what the real numbers were.
Anyone has risk from Covid. To suggest otherwise is silly. The point is what that level of risk is vs. the typical flu or anything else. I've said this before:
When you get in a car and put on your seat belt and then drive down the road, you immediately subject yourself to the possibility of dying in a car accident. But you continue to get in a car because you know that statistically speaking, your overall chance of dying is low and there isn't a better alternative to getting somewhere fast (unless you want to buy a horse or something).
So you balance risk and reward. This is no different. The only thing different here is that the media narrative and that of the doom sayers is that the risk is much greater. It falls on one to do ones own research and separate fact from fiction to make the right call for one's own livelihood and that of one's family.
No you haven't. All you've done is exactly what you've done in this paragraph, which is to tell us about all the times you spent doing it. But when asked for one example, you never provide any specifics. I'm going to read the rest of this post in hopes you finally do something like that.
Your claim that the US for that week only tested 1.650mm people is false. Here is another source from John's Hopkins. Please note the chart at the middle of the page which you can highlight to see total tests and drill down by state. You will see that, according to them, the US tested almost 5 million people. Additionally, the Florida tests are very close to what you call "the DeSantis portal". This also coincides with actual lab data that you can look up here: http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/state_reports_20200711.pdf
It would appear your source - Rebecca whatever her name is - is off a great deal.
The Florida state portal totals of the tests per week at various testing sites appear to diverge from the state portal numbers. Maybe the Florida portal intended to display the cumulative tests performed over time -- but they don't present it as such. The graph clearly is claiming that Florida tested over 500,00 people the week of July 5th to 11th. A perfect example of the misleading data provided on the Florida state portal.
While we are at it - let's see what the John Hopkins site shows for COVID testing in Florida.
You can easily find another dozen respected mainstream sites that align with the Rebekah Jones portal for COVID testing in Florida and disagree with the Florida state portal.
Yes! I see you used the JHU site too. So in that chart you, yourself show, that is an average of 75k of tests a day. 75 x 7 is...525k. That's what the DeSantis portal shows! What am I missing here?
And death rate is what we are trying to lower?
Death rate is really the most important factor, for obvious reasons.
I honestly don't know what we are trying to lower. I don't see anything consistent across the country aside from problematic handling of test results.
Curve flattening had one purpose, to prevent the hospitals from being overrun. It had no further purpose so far as the wider population is concerned. It has merely delayed the onset of wider immunity. People still believe they will avoid infection by hiding under their bed.
The reality is that vulnerable people should mask, social distance and isolate such as is possible. For the vast majority who are healthy it does not make sense and looks like a political attempt to damage the economy for some political purpose. Its not a medical policy at this point.