DeSantis for the win
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And I had you pegged as someone who likes to twists things to fit a narrative. Bingo.
I was laughing at you posting, prematurely, how wonderful our wingnut gubenur is doing.
Lucky for clueless DeSantis (though not us Florida residents) he is not up for re-election with Chumpie this year.
Dude, you're the king of narratives. You offer absolutely nothing to this forum other than comic relief - unfortunately (for you) its you who is the butt of most of the jokes, but anyway.
Florida had a choice between DeSantis and Gillum. Fortunately we elected the guy who wasn't found in a hotel room with a male prostitute and a bag of crystal meth shortly after the election. Can you imagine if we had elected Gillum? What am I saying, of course you can't.
DeSantis is right on point. Deaths are still at all time lows. We were told Florida would be another Italy. You can scroll up and look at the slides that showed predictions in Florida. You won't, because that would require you to actually have substance in your replies, and you're not here for that. You're here for comic relief - as I said. Oh, and to put the word "Chumpie" in as many posts as possible. That's clever!
There is another side of the equation on opening a state early, or late, or whatever (all of which is a subjective call). The economic side. I'm putting together a state by state unemployment rate and tax receipts to see what the effect is. Then we can compare states like Florida and Texas and their decisions (good or bad, we all have our opinions) with hard economic data to see the results.
Once we look at the economic data, we can see the whole picture, rather than shrieking about health concerns as if that was the only thing to consider.
Once we look at the economic data, we can see the whole picture, rather than shrieking about health concerns as if that was the only thing to consider.
Miami-Dade’s largest cities to require masks in public as COVID-19 numbers spike
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243708217.html
The mayors of seven Miami-Dade cities on Monday announced new rules requiring people to wear face masks anywhere in public, a response to rising numbers of COVID-19 infections and hospitalizations — a measure they conceded will be tough to enforce.
The cities of Miami, Hialeah, Miami Gardens, North Miami Beach, Miami Shores, Aventura, and Key Biscayne will require people to wear masks at all times in public. The sudden announcement left some specific details unexplained, including whether people would be required to wear masks while exercising. In the city of Miami, a new emergency order outlining the rules is expected to be signed in the coming days.
Mayors of another eight cities, while not adopting the same mask rule, joined in a press conference in front of Miami City Hall and said their cities would have tougher enforcement.
(More at above url)
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243708217.html
The mayors of seven Miami-Dade cities on Monday announced new rules requiring people to wear face masks anywhere in public, a response to rising numbers of COVID-19 infections and hospitalizations — a measure they conceded will be tough to enforce.
The cities of Miami, Hialeah, Miami Gardens, North Miami Beach, Miami Shores, Aventura, and Key Biscayne will require people to wear masks at all times in public. The sudden announcement left some specific details unexplained, including whether people would be required to wear masks while exercising. In the city of Miami, a new emergency order outlining the rules is expected to be signed in the coming days.
Mayors of another eight cities, while not adopting the same mask rule, joined in a press conference in front of Miami City Hall and said their cities would have tougher enforcement.
(More at above url)
Tampa is also requiring masks.
Begs the question. If many of the people are coming in for other things and are found to have Covid and are being counted positive but are asymptomatic is this a good or bad thing in the overall view of the virus?
Almost makes you wonder how so many can be asymptomatic. Almost like the test is flawed or something. Then they are being put in holding rooms in hospitals (probably counted as hospitalizations from Covid) even though they came in for something unrelated (stomach issues, etc).
Hospitals filling up, encountering a new kind of coronavirus patient
With new cases skyrocketing and hospitalizations increasing, Florida hospitals are confronting a scary new trend: People entering hospitals without the symptoms of coronavirus they were showing a few months ago.
The fever check, a basic tool for screening for coronavirus, likely is not much value anymore, as the number of asymptomatic people rises by the day in Florida.
Now that elective services are back on and people have ventured out from lockdown, hospitals are filled with all kinds of patients, challenging the staff to figure out who is sick, what they have, and where to put them.
“Some people are coming in really sick but others aren’t that sick at all,” said Patricia Diaz, a nurse at University Hospital in Tamarac. “Some come in for abdominal pain or something else and through assessments, they come up positive.”
When the novel coronavirus first surfaced in South Florida hospitals in March, patients were the elderly or those with medical conditions that made them vulnerable. Symptoms were obvious: cough, fever, shortness of breath. But now the virus has infected a younger demographic and taken on a more stealth nature in Florida while continuing to remain highly transmissible.
“We had two patients this week with appendicitis and they turned out to be positive,” said Dr. Margaret Gorensek, an infectious disease specialist at Holy Cross Hospital in Fort Lauderdale. “We took the appropriate precaution and after surgery, they went to the COVID floor.”
The virus is spreading most quickly among younger people in Florida, “those under 40, in particular, who don’t have any significant underlying conditions, and are much, much less likely to be hospitalized or to suffer fatality,” Gov. Ron DeSantis said during a news briefing on Friday.
RELATED: Hospital ICU beds in Palm Beach County filling up as coronavirus cases increasing »
People who arrive at hospitals for emergencies don’t always show symptoms of the novel coronavirus. They may or may not be tested or admitted to the hospital. And, they could lie in a bed in a holding area waiting for hours or day to find out where in the hospital they will be taken based on their test result.
“If you come into the ER, we’re only going to test you if there is something suspicious,” said Diaz from University Hospital. “We do not test every person who comes in. It’s a little scary because of the unknown.”
At most South Florida hospitals, someone who arrives for a broken arm or a deep cut will be treated and sent home, without a test.
And even typical coronavirus symptoms like fever and cough, and a positive test result, may not be enough to get someone admitted anymore. “It’s a changing picture,” said Gorensek at Holy Cross. “Patients are not as sick as they originally were. If their symptoms are mild, they are sent home to follow up with their primary care doctor or our physicians that follow positive cases.”
When patients are admitted, hospitals have discretion on how to maintain the isolation COVID patients require from the rest of the hospital population. Some might have entire floors or wings, others might only have negative pressure rooms in which the air is rerouted, away from other patients and hospital staff.
Crystal Stickle, interim president of the Florida Hospital Association, said some Florida hospitals are better equipped than others to keep their positive patients in one area. “All hospitals handle it differently. As long as they have dedicated staff and keep the door closed and properly identify a room with a coronavirus patient, I would not consider that an alarming practice” she said.
Holy Cross has an entire floor for patients with COVID-19 with an adjacent dedicated ICU. “We are trying to keep patients as safe as possible,” Gorensek said. A patient may need to wait in isolation within the emergency room until a test result returns before getting X-rays or scans. In an emergency, a nurse will whisk them from the ER to surgery and return them to the COVID-designated floor.
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“We have had patients come in with a heart attack or stroke in the mildly early stages, and we have picked up the virus and have been able to avoid exposure,” she said.
With the presence of the virus more difficult to detect, South Florida hospitals have become more wary of incoming patients. In mid-May, Gov. Ron DeSantis allowed hospitals to reopen for elective services after prohibiting them for eight weeks during the peak of the coronavirus crisis. Now that patients are returning for hip replacements and colonoscopies, hospitals tout their efforts to keep a separation between the well and the sick.
At the five Tenet Health hospitals in Palm Beach County, anyone who comes in for elective surgery must be tested in advance, said Maggie Gill, CEO of Tenet’s Palm Beach Health Network. A positive result means the hospital will postpone the procedure for 14 days, and test again.
RELATED: Map: With coronavirus cases rising in Florida, how much capacity do hospitals currently have? »
Of course, emergency procedures can’t wait. “We have patients in the hospital who are symptomatic, some who are asymptomatic, and some awaiting discharge. It’s a mix,” Gill said during a news briefing with DeSantis Friday. ”We have the capacity, PPE (Personal Protective Equipment), trained staff, and we are smarter in terms of how we manage patients today than we were in March.”
Dr. Larry Bush, an infectious disease specialist at Wellington Medical Center, said he, too, has learned how to better treat and identify the virus. “We are testing everyone admitted, putting them in one area, and observing anyone who comes in for something else but develops respiratory issues,” he said, adding that the screening has paid off. “We found three people with COVID who were not admitted for that.”
Cindy Krischer Goodman can be reached at cgoodman@sunsentinel.com, 954-304-5908 Twitter and Instagram @cindykgoodman
Almost makes you wonder how so many can be asymptomatic. Almost like the test is flawed or something. Then they are being put in holding rooms in hospitals (probably counted as hospitalizations from Covid) even though they came in for something unrelated (stomach issues, etc).
Hospitals filling up, encountering a new kind of coronavirus patient
With new cases skyrocketing and hospitalizations increasing, Florida hospitals are confronting a scary new trend: People entering hospitals without the symptoms of coronavirus they were showing a few months ago.
The fever check, a basic tool for screening for coronavirus, likely is not much value anymore, as the number of asymptomatic people rises by the day in Florida.
Now that elective services are back on and people have ventured out from lockdown, hospitals are filled with all kinds of patients, challenging the staff to figure out who is sick, what they have, and where to put them.
“Some people are coming in really sick but others aren’t that sick at all,” said Patricia Diaz, a nurse at University Hospital in Tamarac. “Some come in for abdominal pain or something else and through assessments, they come up positive.”
When the novel coronavirus first surfaced in South Florida hospitals in March, patients were the elderly or those with medical conditions that made them vulnerable. Symptoms were obvious: cough, fever, shortness of breath. But now the virus has infected a younger demographic and taken on a more stealth nature in Florida while continuing to remain highly transmissible.
“We had two patients this week with appendicitis and they turned out to be positive,” said Dr. Margaret Gorensek, an infectious disease specialist at Holy Cross Hospital in Fort Lauderdale. “We took the appropriate precaution and after surgery, they went to the COVID floor.”
The virus is spreading most quickly among younger people in Florida, “those under 40, in particular, who don’t have any significant underlying conditions, and are much, much less likely to be hospitalized or to suffer fatality,” Gov. Ron DeSantis said during a news briefing on Friday.
RELATED: Hospital ICU beds in Palm Beach County filling up as coronavirus cases increasing »
People who arrive at hospitals for emergencies don’t always show symptoms of the novel coronavirus. They may or may not be tested or admitted to the hospital. And, they could lie in a bed in a holding area waiting for hours or day to find out where in the hospital they will be taken based on their test result.
“If you come into the ER, we’re only going to test you if there is something suspicious,” said Diaz from University Hospital. “We do not test every person who comes in. It’s a little scary because of the unknown.”
At most South Florida hospitals, someone who arrives for a broken arm or a deep cut will be treated and sent home, without a test.
And even typical coronavirus symptoms like fever and cough, and a positive test result, may not be enough to get someone admitted anymore. “It’s a changing picture,” said Gorensek at Holy Cross. “Patients are not as sick as they originally were. If their symptoms are mild, they are sent home to follow up with their primary care doctor or our physicians that follow positive cases.”
When patients are admitted, hospitals have discretion on how to maintain the isolation COVID patients require from the rest of the hospital population. Some might have entire floors or wings, others might only have negative pressure rooms in which the air is rerouted, away from other patients and hospital staff.
Crystal Stickle, interim president of the Florida Hospital Association, said some Florida hospitals are better equipped than others to keep their positive patients in one area. “All hospitals handle it differently. As long as they have dedicated staff and keep the door closed and properly identify a room with a coronavirus patient, I would not consider that an alarming practice” she said.
Holy Cross has an entire floor for patients with COVID-19 with an adjacent dedicated ICU. “We are trying to keep patients as safe as possible,” Gorensek said. A patient may need to wait in isolation within the emergency room until a test result returns before getting X-rays or scans. In an emergency, a nurse will whisk them from the ER to surgery and return them to the COVID-designated floor.
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“We have had patients come in with a heart attack or stroke in the mildly early stages, and we have picked up the virus and have been able to avoid exposure,” she said.
With the presence of the virus more difficult to detect, South Florida hospitals have become more wary of incoming patients. In mid-May, Gov. Ron DeSantis allowed hospitals to reopen for elective services after prohibiting them for eight weeks during the peak of the coronavirus crisis. Now that patients are returning for hip replacements and colonoscopies, hospitals tout their efforts to keep a separation between the well and the sick.
At the five Tenet Health hospitals in Palm Beach County, anyone who comes in for elective surgery must be tested in advance, said Maggie Gill, CEO of Tenet’s Palm Beach Health Network. A positive result means the hospital will postpone the procedure for 14 days, and test again.
RELATED: Map: With coronavirus cases rising in Florida, how much capacity do hospitals currently have? »
Of course, emergency procedures can’t wait. “We have patients in the hospital who are symptomatic, some who are asymptomatic, and some awaiting discharge. It’s a mix,” Gill said during a news briefing with DeSantis Friday. ”We have the capacity, PPE (Personal Protective Equipment), trained staff, and we are smarter in terms of how we manage patients today than we were in March.”
Dr. Larry Bush, an infectious disease specialist at Wellington Medical Center, said he, too, has learned how to better treat and identify the virus. “We are testing everyone admitted, putting them in one area, and observing anyone who comes in for something else but develops respiratory issues,” he said, adding that the screening has paid off. “We found three people with COVID who were not admitted for that.”
Cindy Krischer Goodman can be reached at cgoodman@sunsentinel.com, 954-304-5908 Twitter and Instagram @cindykgoodman
So, even De Santis is now saying the Florida situation is out of control.
We still do have people here saying nothing to see here, as there is not enough deaths yet?
I do not know how to argue that point.
We still do have people here saying nothing to see here, as there is not enough deaths yet?
I do not know how to argue that point.
Can you link to where he said it was out of control? I didn't see that article.
As for deaths, I would think that deaths are the most important statistic regarding Coronavirus. Or do you believe what truly matters is people that contract the virus (whether with or without symptoms) is more important than whether they die from it?