Derek Chauvin jury reaches verdict in George Floyd case

[El OchoCinco]

Yeh, you are running off in unfruitful directions in your mind. Jury nullification is not a factor here.

And appeals courts exist to review all sort of due process issues that may - and in fact do every day- result in retrials, dismissals, etc. etc of matters where the case had been allowed to proceed to trial , including a jury decision. Sheesh.

In any case, my question was whether at any point the defense asked for a change of venue. If you did not know, just say that. Did not ask whether you agreed with it or a bunch of crabwalking over to other issues.

For the rest of you, I checked. The defense did in fact request a change of venue. Which was obviously denied.

Sheesh.

I said all of those matters are addressed in pre-trial so they were already done. Thank you for confirming what I said.

And jury nullification means you cannot appeal just because you claim you got an unfair trial. You need an actual mistake of law or application of law to claim something on appeal to get a decision from the higher court to remand and order a retrial (I will give oyu a hint how often that happens).

You don't overturn a jury decision in criminal cases unless you have an actual cause for appeal (incorrect decision of judge on objection, prosecution mistake). Not because you claim the jury is biased due to high profile case.

 

[FortuneTeller]

The jury has miscarried justice out of Leftist emotion. He was not guilty under the law of either 2nd or 3rd degree murder and I expect a vigorous appeal. The devastation of numbers and service that will befall police depts across the country cannot be underestimated.

This verdict will at least stop the insane rioting/looting that would of happened if he was found innocent of all charges. A vigorous appeal will ensue. We can thank Waters, Pelosi and Biden for helping with that.

 

[El OchoCinco]

Found guilty of third degree murder and manslaughter. In addition to second degree murder.

I have to admit I was not expecting all 3 counts guilty. because of that the minimum prison could be closer to 15-20 years...who knows what the judge will do.

 

[El OchoCinco]

This verdict will at least stop the insane rioting/looting that would of happened if he was found innocent of all charges. A vigorous appeal will ensue. We can thank Waters, Pelosi and Biden for helping with that.

There is no cause for appeal just because Waters said something and Biden's comment was while jurors were sequestered.

The only cause for appeal is for defense to claim the INTENT required under the higher murder charges were not proven. That is a question of law and something that defense can appeal.

Sorry if you disagree with the verdict.

 

[kmgilroy89]

I have to admit I was not expecting all 3 counts guilty. because of that the minimum prison could be closer to 15-20 years...who knows what the judge will do.

Only the highest charge will be taken into account. Otherwise it's double dipping.

 

[El OchoCinco]

Only the highest charge will be taken into account. Otherwise it's double dipping.

You have to look up MINN law and see if sentences are concurrent and can be served consecutively.

 

[Overnight]

Only the highest charge will be taken into account. Otherwise it's double dipping.

Mmmm, no. Each charge carries it's own punishment. He can get up to the maximum for EACH charge. And the judge can decide to have them run consecutively, or concurrently.

 

[Overnight]

Did they mention when the sentencing hearing will be?

 

[El OchoCinco]

Only the highest charge will be taken into account. Otherwise it's double dipping.

From what I gather they can add up the prison sentences for each of hte 3 charges and give one sentence:

If two or more sentences are consecutively executed at the same time and by the same court, the Commissioner of Corrections must aggregate the sentence durations into a single fixed sentence. The aggregate term of imprisonment must be served before the aggregate supervised release period.

 

[kmgilroy89]

Mmmm, no. Each charge carries it's own punishment. He can get up to the maximum for EACH charge. And the judge can decide to have them run consecutively, or concurrently.

They are for the same crime so they will be concurrently.