Microsoft already says T5810 can't install W11, yet I see computers for sale stating they have W11... I dunno. Likely will be able to use W10 for quite some time after the official "end" date.... currently slated for Oct-2025.
Dell guys are great guys, but IT'S NOT working
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Microsoft already says T5810 can't install W11, yet I see computers for sale stating they have W11... I dunno. Likely will be able to use W10 for quite some time after the official "end" date.... currently slated for Oct-2025.
Hate to break the news to you @countryBoy641... that CPU (and that Dell) is friggin' ancient bro. You should've sprung a few more bux for something newer (but I can't find the post where you claimed to pull the trigger so maybe you backed out of the deal, idk).
This is nonsense because the machine is already almost 10 years old, meaning there's no way it has 50% of it's life remaining; 15% at best. Not to mention, when the t5810 came out it was as expensive as $17k in some configurations. That means you're paying way less than 25%, you know why.... because the machine is relatively worthless now. It's depreciated into a boat anchor (@easymon1's words, which I agree with).
So, you're paying money for something that's going into a landfill within a couple years TOPS. @Scataphagos can't do this kind of advanced arithmetic involving relative valuation; e.g. value over replacement thinking. You ever see Moneyball?
These are @Scataphagos's own words... he doesn't know. But here's the explanation...
People are correctly pointing out is that it's so old it may not even run Win11. Because, the OS will check hardware settings and refuse to start given the user experience would be so bad. The GFX could be upgraded with a nicer video card but the CPU itself is also a dinosaur. Do you want to buy a machine and then immediately need to upgrade everything inside it?
Compare the CPU in that Thinkstation P330 I suggested (which has 2x the memory) to the one in the Dell.... side-by-side. The new one (in the Thinkstation) is the E-2276G, the ancient one (in the Dell) is the E5-1650.
When you scroll down to the section called "Advanced Technologies" and look within at the "Instruction set extensions" you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. The latest and greatest software needs the newer CPU instruction sets to run. I know from experience.
What will happen is you'll go to run a program, and if it's good, it will say you need a newer machine. If the software is lousy and doesn't bother to do a check, it will just crash and you'll be scratching your head. You'll be between a rock and a hard place... with a machine you just recently bought
Also look at the launch and discontinuance dates. Dude... an 11 year old CPU is ancient. It's the CPU that matters.
Buying an old clunker is one thing if you plan on using it as a spare, or a headless file server, or for running legacy software. That's just fine. But for a newish end-user daily driver... splurge the extra $500 for a decent machine. You can't possibly be trading and that broke at the same time!?!?! Are you trading seashells and baseball cards?
@Scataphagos wants you to race directly to the bottom to save nickles and dimes.... I wouldn't trust him to build me a table from Ikea let alone a computer. It's already been determined he's an amateur hack. Believe me, I was into computers as a child, way before I was into trading. I pointed out his ignorance so many times he's got me on block... oh well
Don't say you weren't warned.
This is nonsense because the machine is already almost 10 years old, meaning there's no way it has 50% of it's life remaining; 15% at best. Not to mention, when the t5810 came out it was as expensive as $17k in some configurations. That means you're paying way less than 25%, you know why.... because the machine is relatively worthless now. It's depreciated into a boat anchor (@easymon1's words, which I agree with).
So, you're paying money for something that's going into a landfill within a couple years TOPS. @Scataphagos can't do this kind of advanced arithmetic involving relative valuation; e.g. value over replacement thinking. You ever see Moneyball?
These are @Scataphagos's own words... he doesn't know. But here's the explanation...
People are correctly pointing out is that it's so old it may not even run Win11. Because, the OS will check hardware settings and refuse to start given the user experience would be so bad. The GFX could be upgraded with a nicer video card but the CPU itself is also a dinosaur. Do you want to buy a machine and then immediately need to upgrade everything inside it?
Compare the CPU in that Thinkstation P330 I suggested (which has 2x the memory) to the one in the Dell.... side-by-side. The new one (in the Thinkstation) is the E-2276G, the ancient one (in the Dell) is the E5-1650.
When you scroll down to the section called "Advanced Technologies" and look within at the "Instruction set extensions" you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. The latest and greatest software needs the newer CPU instruction sets to run. I know from experience.
What will happen is you'll go to run a program, and if it's good, it will say you need a newer machine. If the software is lousy and doesn't bother to do a check, it will just crash and you'll be scratching your head. You'll be between a rock and a hard place... with a machine you just recently bought
Also look at the launch and discontinuance dates. Dude... an 11 year old CPU is ancient. It's the CPU that matters.
Buying an old clunker is one thing if you plan on using it as a spare, or a headless file server, or for running legacy software. That's just fine. But for a newish end-user daily driver... splurge the extra $500 for a decent machine. You can't possibly be trading and that broke at the same time!?!?! Are you trading seashells and baseball cards?
@Scataphagos wants you to race directly to the bottom to save nickles and dimes.... I wouldn't trust him to build me a table from Ikea let alone a computer. It's already been determined he's an amateur hack. Believe me, I was into computers as a child, way before I was into trading. I pointed out his ignorance so many times he's got me on block... oh well
Don't say you weren't warned.
Not the case. Again, I am using an OOOOld Scat Special that continues to get the job done problem free. Well, there WAS that one problemo gigante! Had to replace the coin battery on the motherboard with one from Dollar Tree computer dept, lol.
Trading software that I use barely gets the electrons flowing.
Trouble free.
When this thing gets the ride-along when boat drinks are in order, betcha it Still works for trading if I find a deal on a legit marine anchor in the mean time, lol.
What rigs have you bought during the last 8 years, Spy?
Hummm.....Hate to break the news to you @countryBoy641... that CPU (and that Dell) is friggin' ancient bro. You should've sprung a few more bux for something newer (but I can't find the post where you claimed to pull the trigger so maybe you backed out of the deal, idk).
This is nonsense because the machine is already almost 10 years old, meaning there's no way it has 50% of it's life remaining; 15% at best. Not to mention, when the t5810 came out it was as expensive as $17k in some configurations. That means you're paying way less than 25%, you know why.... because the machine is relatively worthless now. It's depreciated into a boat anchor (@easymon1's words, which I agree with).
So, you're paying money for something that's going into a landfill within a couple years TOPS. @Scataphagos can't do this kind of advanced arithmetic involving relative valuation; e.g. value over replacement thinking. You ever see Moneyball?
These are @Scataphagos's own words... he doesn't know. But here's the explanation...
People are correctly pointing out is that it's so old it may not even run Win11. Because, the OS will check hardware settings and refuse to start given the user experience would be so bad. The GFX could be upgraded with a nicer video card but the CPU itself is also a dinosaur. Do you want to buy a machine and then immediately need to upgrade everything inside it?
Compare the CPU in that Thinkstation P330 I suggested (which has 2x the memory) to the one in the Dell.... side-by-side. The new one (in the Thinkstation) is the E-2276G, the ancient one (in the Dell) is the E5-1650.
When you scroll down to the section called "Advanced Technologies" and look within at the "Instruction set extensions" you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. The latest and greatest software needs the newer CPU instruction sets to run. I know from experience.
What will happen is you'll go to run a program, and if it's good, it will say you need a newer machine. If the software is lousy and doesn't bother to do a check, it will just crash and you'll be scratching your head. You'll be between a rock and a hard place... with a machine you just recently bought
Also look at the launch and discontinuance dates. Dude... an 11 year old CPU is ancient. It's the CPU that matters.
Buying an old clunker is one thing if you plan on using it as a spare, or a headless file server, or for running legacy software. That's just fine. But for a newish end-user daily driver... splurge the extra $500 for a decent machine. You can't possibly be trading and that broke at the same time!?!?! Are you trading seashells and baseball cards?
@Scataphagos wants you to race directly to the bottom to save nickles and dimes.... I wouldn't trust him to build me a table from Ikea let alone a computer. It's already been determined he's an amateur hack. Believe me, I was into computers as a child, way before I was into trading. I pointed out his ignorance so many times he's got me on block... oh well
Don't say you weren't warned.
Not that I want to take Scat's side, but the Xeon CPU you are referring to (E5-1650) is not the one which Scat proposed (E5-1650 V4). Yours was launched in Q1 2012, Scat's in Q2 2016.
Nonetheless, I wouldn't buy a 6 years old rig for my trading even if I usually keep with rigs for 9-10 years.
Good catch... at least it's got AVX2 then, but still 1/2 the memory. I think my point still stands though. Spend the extra $$ for something a bit newer; it's an investment.
Again, you wanna run legacy software or have a file server that's one thing. You want to hook up a few monitors and have a modern end-user workstation? The extra $$ are not wasted.
The last machine I bought has a Xeon Silver 4208 in it... launched in Q2'19. And I got it for a song and a dance... cranks through my model in 1/2 the time the old one did.
I'm a terrible example though... I run what amounts to legacy software on a headless server. I could actually get away with an older machine; but why bother??!?! That's the exact point.
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Nope, I do not care to "crank through my model"
So this brings us to the Point.
The Use Case can drive the Solution Specification.
If a trader that wants to "crank through their model", they will have enough savvy to tell Scatman that and see how competitive his solution is.
A request for proposal can be sent to Puget Computers, etc. and proper decisions are then possible.
For my dealio - I day trade fast charts.
This OOOOld Scat Special supports 4 monitors.
All I see is the mouse, the keyboard and the monitors.
The box they plug into is a non-issue far as I'm concerned until the yet to happen end at which time I'll flop open the laptop hook it up to the largescreen TV, an Acer 24" and continue.
When I get tired of that I'll post up on ET Hardware and see what Scatman comes up with.
Till then, smooth as silk. Steady as she goes.
Exactly, and the ultimate use case here is trading your bankroll (from charts or a model isn't that important). And if your bankroll is $10k... fine, I understand the desire to save $500.
But beyond that it becomes a question of marginal utility (of your money, not the computer). Spending the extra money will be well worth it when you're trading more meaningful sums.
I'd urge some caution to you too. You used the key word here "fast". Your "model" may not be at the same frequency as mine but a 100% speed/bandwidth improvement is meaningful... it means more and faster charts. And sometimes you can't actually _see_ the slowness due to what's known as "user perceived latency".
E.g. :
The latency improvements that result from the removal of just a single 60 Hz frame (i.e., a decrease of 16.7 ms in latency) are perceptibly noticeable under many circumstances.
GUI software caters to that.... it's tuned to make you think it's working fast even when it's not.
That's up to you. I won't deny that in any way.
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The Use Case determines the Specification.
My Use Case is served by an OOOld Scatman Special just fine regardless of bankroll, lol.
If a cat wants to get into the gadgets and gizmos, there are plenty of those too.
Not my concern. Did not sound like the OP's concern either.
He just wants to plug and play. Is that so wrooong?
My Use Case is served by an OOOld Scatman Special just fine regardless of bankroll, lol.
If a cat wants to get into the gadgets and gizmos, there are plenty of those too.
Not my concern. Did not sound like the OP's concern either.
He just wants to plug and play. Is that so wrooong?
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People don't usually "play" if there's a lot of real money on the line. I treat my trading like a serious business. And, I think I've laid out my position rather clearly so take it for what it's worth.
You and @countryBoy641 and whoever else are certainly free to do whatever you think is best. In fact, I greatly encourage it.
Use your intellect and skills to do what's best and freely trade the outcome of that work. That's what makes the market work so well. GL/HF
Yes.
Use Case determines Specification.
So what are you doing over there with that rig?
The last machine I bought has a Xeon Silver 4208 in it... launched in Q2'19. And I got it for a song and a dance... cranks through my model in 1/2 the time the old one did.
Use Case determines Specification.
So what are you doing over there with that rig?
The last machine I bought has a Xeon Silver 4208 in it... launched in Q2'19. And I got it for a song and a dance... cranks through my model in 1/2 the time the old one did.