Dear Abby Uses Column To Promote Radical Gay Agenda

Quote from Sparohok:

Whether or not homosexuality is genetic has NOTHING to do with whether pedophilia is genetic. They are completely orthogonal.

Let's say I did a study which found that the sexual preference for blonde haired mates has a genetic basis. Would you conclude on the basis of my study alone that preference for violent rape also has a genetic basis? No, because they are completely unrelated behaviors. Nonetheless, they could both be called "sexual preferences," just like you're choosing to call homosexuality and pedophilia "sexual preferences."

Not all sexual preferences have the same cause. Your choice to conflate homosexuality with pedophilia reveals more about your own suble bigotry than anything else.

Martin
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Read some of my other posts - I said that I couldn't give a crap about gays since they harm no one. I don't know how that could be considered bigotry. If I'm guilty of bigotry, it would be that yes, I'm bigoted towards pedophiles. Aren't you?

Forget the name calling please, you score no points for that...

Ok, let's forget about gays then. Instead, let's say you're right and pedophilia isn't determined at a genetic level. Would you say that sexual preference can be changed or suppressed?

And to equate rape as a sexual preference is wacky. And you're right, they're completely different behaviors, therefore I don't see the point you're trying to make with it. Rape doesn't involve sexual preference at all, it's a need for violence/control over the victim. Studies have proven this pretty conclusively.

And I DO think that there are different sexual preferences - hetero, homo, pedo should be be classified as different preferences. There are more. Like I said, when you watch a 20/20 or 60 Minutes show on a pedo, and he says that his attraction is to kids, well why do you even need to know more. It's not to men, or to women... kids. They know it's wrong, express remorse, and do it anyways. That's all you need to know..........
 
Quote from Haroki:

I don't know how that could be considered bigotry.
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You imply that homosexuality and pedophilia are controlled by the same genetic phenomenon. By conflating the two in a way that is both false and pejorative toward homosexuals, it at least suggests a bigoted attitude. If that wasn't your intent, so much the better.

Instead, let's say you're right and pedophilia isn't determined at a genetic level. Would you say that sexual preference can be changed or suppressed?
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Which sexual "preference"? They aren't all the same. For example: if I had a really horrible experience with a blonde woman, it might change my sexual preference for blondes, but it wouldn't change my sexual preference for women.

Rape doesn't involve sexual preference at all, it's a need for violence/control over the victim.
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Didn't you say, "Quibble all you want with the word 'preference', it doesn't make your argument any stronger."

By any definition of the words "sexual preference" where both homosexuality and pedophilia are considered sexual preferences, rape is also a sexual preference.

Personally, I don't consider any of them sexual preferences. They are all compelled to greater or lesser degrees by neurochemistry and the subconscious, whereas I consider a preference to be something fully accessible to conscious decision making.

Martin
 
Quote from Sparohok:



1----You imply that homosexuality and pedophilia are controlled by the same genetic phenomenon. By conflating the two in a way that is both false and pejorative toward homosexuals, it at least suggests a bigoted attitude. If that wasn't your intent, so much the better.


2----Which sexual "preference"? They aren't all the same. For example: if I had a really horrible experience with a blonde woman, it might change my sexual preference for blondes, but it wouldn't change my sexual preference for women.


Didn't you say, "Quibble all you want with the word 'preference', it doesn't make your argument any stronger."

By any definition of the words "sexual preference" where both homosexuality and pedophilia are considered sexual preferences, rape is also a sexual preference.

Personally, I don't consider any of them sexual preferences. They are all compelled to greater or lesser degrees by neurochemistry and the subconscious, whereas I consider a preference to be something fully accessible to conscious decision making.

Martin
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1- it wasn't my intent. I thought I made that clear. My intent is to imply that the claim that pedos can be released into the world and have kids be safe is a crock of shit.

2- Your example is ridiculous. You know what the context of the discussion is about.

3- again, you're just making an argument now to argue.

Take a stand. Do you believe that pedos can be safely let out into society.
 
Quote from Haroki:

Take a stand. Do you believe that pedos can be safely let out into society.
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Of course not! I never said anything like that. Lock them all up for all I care.

I think you're the one missing the point of this discussion. It's about gay people remember?

Martin
 
You've obviously, completely missed the point: gays are icky. They are icky, and I don't want to have to be confronted with the fact that they exist. As such, they should be rounded up and put in camps.
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I'm quite sure they're having sex w/each other, those gay people. You better believe it.

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Quote from Sparohok:

Of course not! I never said anything like that. Lock them all up for all I care.

I think you're the one missing the point of this discussion. It's about gay people remember?

Martin
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Glad we agree on that !!

I know the thread is about gays. I don't care about gays, they harm no one. I've never commented on gays positively OR negatively. I've merely used them to demonstrate the left's fucked up thinking. They will defend the gay's orientation, saying that it can't be changed, and then defend pedos, saying that their orientation can be changed. I'm attacking the left, ok?

So why do you believe that pedos should remain locked up? Is it cuz they can't change their stripes?

My point has always been - if gays can't change their stripes - for whatever reason - then why would the left think that pedos can?
 
Quote from Haroki:

My point has always been - if gays can't change their stripes - for whatever reason - then why would the left think that pedos can?
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And my point is that homosexuality and pedophilia are completely different phenomena, so the "logic" behind such a statement is nonexistent. Nothing we learn or decide about homosexuality has any bearing on pedophilia. Whether or not homosexuals can "change their stripes" tells us nothing about whether or not pedophiles can "change their stripes." They are orthogonal questions.

What makes you think the cause of homosexuality and the cause of pedophilia are related?

Martin
 
Quote from Sparohok:

And my point is that homosexuality and pedophilia are completely different phenomena, so the "logic" behind such a statement is nonexistent. Nothing we learn or decide about homosexuality has any bearing on pedophilia. Whether or not homosexuals can "change their stripes" tells us nothing about whether or not pedophiles can "change their stripes." They are orthogonal questions.

What makes you think the cause of homosexuality and the cause of pedophilia are related?

Martin
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Sparohok,

I think you are confusing his argument. When he says people are born "pedophiles" I think he means they are born attracted to little kids, not necessarily that they'll take action on it.

If that is what he meant, then I think he has a good point, if someone is born attracted to little kids and you say he can be reformed, then you'd have to say gays (or even heteros) could be "reformed"... that is, conditioned to change their attraction.
 
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