But over death rate is already a few months at 20%. So 20% extra deaths due to covid.
Not just a small difference. Deaths count, not the % of infected people.
Covid-19: So now what?
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But over death rate is already a few months at 20%. So 20% extra deaths due to covid.
Not just a small difference. Deaths count, not the % of infected people.
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Yes, not only covid, strict lockdown has created havoc. Heart attacks deaths doubled during the quarantine, people from nursing homes were not accepted in hospitals for a while in Madrid, many left to die in their nursing home room not only from covid with little to no care, untreated cancer deaths are coming to light and my understanding is it s still very difficult to see a specialist doctor in the public healthcare.
No doubt Spain has fared miserably during this saga and the damage has been immense, I ve heard about several suicide attempts ( my social circle is rather small) and I suspect panic and isolation added to some disease - covid one of several- has precipitated deaths in people who could have made it in a less emotional society.
Yes, not only covid, strict lockdown has created havoc. Heart attacks deaths doubled during the quarantine, people from nursing homes were not accepted in hospitals for a while in Madrid, many left to die in their nursing home room not only from covid with little to no care, untreated cancer deaths are coming to light and my understanding is it s still very difficult to see a specialist doctor in the public healthcare.
No doubt Spain has fared miserably during this saga and the damage has been immense, I ve heard about several suicide attempts ( my social circle is rather small) and I suspect panic and isolation added to some disease - covid one of several- has precipitated deaths in people who could have made it in a less emotional society.
As a reminder 550 000 surgeries had been postponed during spring ( until the end of quarantine I think, would need to check the exact date), in a country of 47mil people with already long surgery waiting lists, and hospitals have restarted at the end of summer to postpone and cancel surgeries when covid cases increased again, the kind of "precautionary measure" very efficient to increase excess death imo. Spain has been known as a mismanaged country for... decades at least, and it showed harshly when covid hit its shores.
Happy Madrid didn t want to hear of another quarantine when the 2nd wave hit its peak ,lots of people now think the lockdown did more harm than good - but it wasn t like this last Spring, panicking chicken most, and excess deaths has a lot to do with it imo.
Happy Madrid didn t want to hear of another quarantine when the 2nd wave hit its peak ,lots of people now think the lockdown did more harm than good - but it wasn t like this last Spring, panicking chicken most, and excess deaths has a lot to do with it imo.
I posted in another thread awhile back on how to do your own self test at home to determine how effective are you're face masks.
You'll be shockingly surprise at which face mask sucks and which ones are very effective in minimizing the viral load of bacteria that comes out of your mouth.
Also, in the real world outside of your home...the issue isn't just a face mask...its also the social distancing and hand washing. You'll be shocked at how many people that wear a face mask are not doing one of the others without realizing it defeats the purpose of wearing a face mask...
Assuming they're someone that doesn't take off their face mask or pulls it down onto their neck to have a conversation with someone standing nearby.
Currently, as shown via stats...the population wearing face masks is around 59% - 60% since the summer and has not increased during this 2nd wave. The 2nd wave needs to be around 90% at the minimum.
Simply, the world is fucking up.
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I am already a long time convinced that humans will destroy themselves. Even if they see the risk, they don't act.
Self destructive behavior.
Yet, there's some light at the end of the tunnel via a few vaccines on the horizon that should be approved by spring of next year and distributed by the beginning of the summer.
The pending vaccine could be part of the problem because we had a President that consistently stated a vaccine was around the corner since early summer...
I think that allowed people to be careless because they thought the vaccine was literally around the corner as in next week or next month.
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https://news.yahoo.com/scotland-faces-tsunami-cancer-deaths-185231204.html
Same issue in Spain, people with public healthcare can t get face to face meeting with their doctor, one girl cancer death was a front page (covid)news last months, she'd been seeking medical help since about the beginning of the covid saga and only managed to get a face to face meeting when she was about to die from cancer, a few weeks back. Already a good thing the medias have started talking about lockdown harm.
Same issue in Spain, people with public healthcare can t get face to face meeting with their doctor, one girl cancer death was a front page (covid)news last months, she'd been seeking medical help since about the beginning of the covid saga and only managed to get a face to face meeting when she was about to die from cancer, a few weeks back. Already a good thing the medias have started talking about lockdown harm.
She did not die because of lockdown. She died because there is a shortage of doctors, nurses, medical equipment, availbable beds in hospital... She got no help. Next question would be: could she be saved? A lot of people who have cancer, die.
If a country does not invest in enough infrastructure you can predict what will happen. Covid pushes the healthsystem over the edge because there are much more patients in hospitals. Has nothing to do with lockdown or not.
I had to go for MRI and CT scans a few times this year in lockdown. When I called for appointments I could go for these scan within 3 working days. In most hospitals there are still beds available in Intensive Care. Consultations with doctors are like usual. The only thing that happened to me was a small not important operation that was cancelled and will be rescheduled fro next year.
Stopping the lockdown (in Spain) would result in more sick people as infections will spread, more need for hospital beds, more doctors, more nurses... Lockdown harm is unavoidable and better than stopping the lockdown. In lockdown, the number of infected people, the numbers of dead people go down fast.
You see that in the chart below. WHen the lockdown started numbers went still up but later reversed. Twice already. Without lockdown numbers would have been much higher. After the first lockdown daily deaths went back to almost zero. Second lockdown is still progessing but number are going down as in the first one.
https://factcheckni.org/articles/ha...ased-200-during-the-covid-19-lockdown-period/
There are at this moment NO numbers available about suicide rates during Covid. Most recent number are from previous years, so we don't know if suicide rate went up because of lockdowns.
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You are believing cheap propaganda (news don´t even claim that muchy) if you believe hospitals are overstretched. When quarantine started in MArch in Spain, only MAdrid public system seemed to be under much stress, BArcelona following shortly after. Most parts of Spain had low covid incidence, several lower than they ahve now and there´s still space in their hospitals.
The video below was shot on the first day of national quarantine in Southern Spain, some lazy doctor and all his team are enjoying an empty emergency room and clapping at the citizens for staying locked in. We wouldn´t want to stress out spanish public servants, would we ?
On the friday before the quarantine, so just before the private medical center I go to got closed for a few months, I went there to try and pick up orthopedic soles which were late for my daughter. Empty waiting room, with 5 or 6 staffs chatting, the girl was upset I came and disturb them before they reached out to me when they got the soles. Well, it turns out the soles were there. Lazy wankers. Hadn´t I go that day, daughter would have had to go several months without soles.
There were space and doctors the whole time in the huge majority of spanish hospitals, much of the cancelling Face to Face meetings had to do with suspicious precautionary measures.
I went another couple of times in private hospitals in Madrid during teh quarantine, and they were quiet. Was easy to get an appointment as well if willing to travel across the city, as small medical centers had been closed and most consultations were made online.
Soon the emergency rooms emptied even in Madrid during the quarantine, which is crazy considering how packed are usually emergency rooms in major cities ime
People gave way too much importance to health staff by clapping for the nurses out their windows daily when the covid mess began, and in return that staff did its best to screw society. Thank u.
Hospitals appear to get stretched very thin (overwhelmed according to local media) during many flu seasons here, but somehow with covid it created more panic, the excitement of a new disease I guess, and incidently flu almost disappeared btw. Go figure...
The video below was shot on the first day of national quarantine in Southern Spain, some lazy doctor and all his team are enjoying an empty emergency room and clapping at the citizens for staying locked in. We wouldn´t want to stress out spanish public servants, would we ?
On the friday before the quarantine, so just before the private medical center I go to got closed for a few months, I went there to try and pick up orthopedic soles which were late for my daughter. Empty waiting room, with 5 or 6 staffs chatting, the girl was upset I came and disturb them before they reached out to me when they got the soles. Well, it turns out the soles were there. Lazy wankers. Hadn´t I go that day, daughter would have had to go several months without soles.
There were space and doctors the whole time in the huge majority of spanish hospitals, much of the cancelling Face to Face meetings had to do with suspicious precautionary measures.
I went another couple of times in private hospitals in Madrid during teh quarantine, and they were quiet. Was easy to get an appointment as well if willing to travel across the city, as small medical centers had been closed and most consultations were made online.
Soon the emergency rooms emptied even in Madrid during the quarantine, which is crazy considering how packed are usually emergency rooms in major cities ime
People gave way too much importance to health staff by clapping for the nurses out their windows daily when the covid mess began, and in return that staff did its best to screw society. Thank u.
Hospitals appear to get stretched very thin (overwhelmed according to local media) during many flu seasons here, but somehow with covid it created more panic, the excitement of a new disease I guess, and incidently flu almost disappeared btw. Go figure...
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