COVID-19 conspiracy thread....who released it?
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Here is a study that was just published that concludes that covid-19 was not bioengineered. Also, it looks like the guy in the Rogan video was just making shit up because it cannot be absolutely conclusive as he states in the video and I can't find any studies that he could have relied on at that time. In addition to the lack of any studies at that time, the below study has the following in its conclusion:
Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here.
More scientific data could swing the balance of evidence to favor one hypothesis over another. Obtaining related viral sequences from animal sources would be the most definitive way of revealing viral origins.
The entire conclusion relies on the following:
While the analyses above suggest that SARS-CoV-2 may bind human ACE2 with high affinity, computational analyses predict that the interaction is not ideal7 and that the RBD sequence is different from those shown in SARS-CoV to be optimal for receptor binding7,11.
If I am reading that correctly, they think that the virus would be more efficient or bind more optimally to the receptor if engineered by humans. In other words, the virus isn't perfect with respect at binding therefore nature made it. Also, I would like to know what specifically is in their "computational analysis".
Furthermore, read this study.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2
While the analyses above suggest that SARS-CoV-2 may bind human ACE2 with high affinity, computational analyses predict that the interaction is not ideal7 and that the RBD sequence is different from those shown in SARS-CoV to be optimal for receptor binding7,11. Thus, the high-affinity binding of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein to human ACE2 is most likely the result of natural selection on a human or human-like ACE2 that permits another optimal binding solution to arise. This is strong evidence that SARS-CoV-2 is not the product of purposeful manipulation.
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I just had to explain to a millennial that no, South Park did not predict sars covid 19.. This is the 2nd time it has happened. 
Good to be old and know everything but not so old the brain is fecked. He losing the bet is washing my car.
Good to be old and know everything but not so old the brain is fecked. He losing the bet is washing my car.
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thank you for the analysis.
and although I have no expertise in the field... at the moment, in this situation I have no reason to accept the assumption that the scientists making the virus would would optimize for binding. Not if, optimized binding would be considered evidence of human design.
and although I have no expertise in the field... at the moment, in this situation I have no reason to accept the assumption that the scientists making the virus would would optimize for binding. Not if, optimized binding would be considered evidence of human design.
According to the below study, a CoV found on dead Malayan pangolins has the closet relationship found so far with Sars-CoV-2 at 91.02%. In other words, they have not found the origin of the virus. 91% is not that close. Humans are much more closely related to chimps than that at 98.8%. The virus that was initially suggested to be the origin from bats is only 88% related. So, at a minimum, it is not from the bat virus they was first suggested.
The below quote is what will allow virologist to potentially find the origin eventually in my opinion.
One of the striking genomic 50 features of this novel virus is the presence of a novel furin-like cleavage site in the S-protein of 51 the virus, which differs from SARS-CoV-1 and may have implications for the life cycle and 52 pathogenicity of the novel virus (Coutard et al. 2020; Wu et al. 2020a)
Below is a graph of the study that demonstrates the mutations that they found.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.09.034462v1
Firstly, it was suggested 53 that SARS-CoV-2 is a close relative of the RaTG13 bat-derived coronavirus (around 88% 54 identity) rather than of SARS-CoV-1 (79% identity) or middle east respiratory syndrome 55 coronavirus MERS-CoV (50% identity) (Lu et al. 2020). Due to this association with bat 56 coronaviruses, it was also argued that SARS-CoV-2 virus has the potential to spread into another 57 species, as bat coronaviruses do (Hu et al. 2018). Recently, it was demonstrated that SARS-CoV58 2 is closely related to a pangolin coronavirus (Pangolin-CoV) found in dead Malayan pangolins 59 with a 91.02% identity, the closest relationship found so far for SARS-CoV-2 (Zhang et al. 60 2020). In that study, genomic analyses revealed that the S1 protein of Pangolin-CoV is related 61 closer to SARS-CoV-2 than to RaTG13 coronavirus. Also, five key amino acid residues involved 62 in the interaction with the human ACE2 receptor are maintained in Pangolin-CoV and SARS63 CoV-2, but not in RaTG13 coronavirus. Thus, it is likely that pangolin species are a natural 64 reservoir of SARS-CoV-2-like coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2 will continue to evolve with 65 novel mutations, as the pandemic evolves. In this scenario, it is expected that diverse signatures 66 of viral variants spread among different populations in the world.
The below quote is what will allow virologist to potentially find the origin eventually in my opinion.
One of the striking genomic 50 features of this novel virus is the presence of a novel furin-like cleavage site in the S-protein of 51 the virus, which differs from SARS-CoV-1 and may have implications for the life cycle and 52 pathogenicity of the novel virus (Coutard et al. 2020; Wu et al. 2020a)
Below is a graph of the study that demonstrates the mutations that they found.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.09.034462v1
Firstly, it was suggested 53 that SARS-CoV-2 is a close relative of the RaTG13 bat-derived coronavirus (around 88% 54 identity) rather than of SARS-CoV-1 (79% identity) or middle east respiratory syndrome 55 coronavirus MERS-CoV (50% identity) (Lu et al. 2020). Due to this association with bat 56 coronaviruses, it was also argued that SARS-CoV-2 virus has the potential to spread into another 57 species, as bat coronaviruses do (Hu et al. 2018). Recently, it was demonstrated that SARS-CoV58 2 is closely related to a pangolin coronavirus (Pangolin-CoV) found in dead Malayan pangolins 59 with a 91.02% identity, the closest relationship found so far for SARS-CoV-2 (Zhang et al. 60 2020). In that study, genomic analyses revealed that the S1 protein of Pangolin-CoV is related 61 closer to SARS-CoV-2 than to RaTG13 coronavirus. Also, five key amino acid residues involved 62 in the interaction with the human ACE2 receptor are maintained in Pangolin-CoV and SARS63 CoV-2, but not in RaTG13 coronavirus. Thus, it is likely that pangolin species are a natural 64 reservoir of SARS-CoV-2-like coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2 will continue to evolve with 65 novel mutations, as the pandemic evolves. In this scenario, it is expected that diverse signatures 66 of viral variants spread among different populations in the world.
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Is this essentially an an admission by the Chinese government? If it wasn't bioengineered in one of its labs, why would Chinese government restrict objective science and want total control of the narrative of the origin? How can this not be defined as a cover-up?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/asia/china-coronavirus-research-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html
Beijing tightens grip over coronavirus research, amid US-China row on virus origin
Hong Kong (CNN)China has imposed restrictions on the publication of academic research on the origins of the novel coronavirus, according to a central government directive and online notices published by two Chinese universities, that have since been removed from the web.
Under the new policy, all academic papers on Covid-19 will be subject to extra vetting before being submitted for publication. Studies on the origin of the virus will receive extra scrutiny and must be approved by central government officials, according to the now-deleted posts.
The increased scrutiny appears to be the latest effort by the Chinese government to control the narrative on the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, which has claimed more than 100,000 lives and sickened 1.7 million people worldwide since it first broke out in the Chinese city of Wuhan in December.
Since late January, Chinese researchers have published a series of Covid-19 studies in influential international medical journals. Some findings about early coronavirus cases -- such as when human-to-human transition first appeared -- have raised questions over the official government account of the outbreak and sparked controversy on Chinese social media.
And now, Chinese authorities appear to be tightening their grip on the publication of Covid-19 research.
A Chinese researcher who spoke on condition of anonymity due to fear of retaliation said the move was a worrying development that would likely obstruct important scientific research.
"I think it is a coordinated effort from (the) Chinese government to control (the) narrative, and paint it as if the outbreak did not originate in China," the researcher told CNN. "And I don't think they will really tolerate any objective study to investigate the origination of this disease."
CNN has reached out to China's Foreign Ministry for comment.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/asia/china-coronavirus-research-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html
Beijing tightens grip over coronavirus research, amid US-China row on virus origin
Hong Kong (CNN)China has imposed restrictions on the publication of academic research on the origins of the novel coronavirus, according to a central government directive and online notices published by two Chinese universities, that have since been removed from the web.
Under the new policy, all academic papers on Covid-19 will be subject to extra vetting before being submitted for publication. Studies on the origin of the virus will receive extra scrutiny and must be approved by central government officials, according to the now-deleted posts.
The increased scrutiny appears to be the latest effort by the Chinese government to control the narrative on the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, which has claimed more than 100,000 lives and sickened 1.7 million people worldwide since it first broke out in the Chinese city of Wuhan in December.
Since late January, Chinese researchers have published a series of Covid-19 studies in influential international medical journals. Some findings about early coronavirus cases -- such as when human-to-human transition first appeared -- have raised questions over the official government account of the outbreak and sparked controversy on Chinese social media.
And now, Chinese authorities appear to be tightening their grip on the publication of Covid-19 research.
A Chinese researcher who spoke on condition of anonymity due to fear of retaliation said the move was a worrying development that would likely obstruct important scientific research.
"I think it is a coordinated effort from (the) Chinese government to control (the) narrative, and paint it as if the outbreak did not originate in China," the researcher told CNN. "And I don't think they will really tolerate any objective study to investigate the origination of this disease."
CNN has reached out to China's Foreign Ministry for comment.
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this is shady AF, China needs to allow transparency to foreign inspectors or be held as responsible until they do so.
Geraldo doesn't mention what evidence Wapo has wrt bombshell. We shall see.
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