Corona Virus Relief Package. As usual, an embarrasment.

[UsualName]

Heh, there you go again. As Reagan would say.

I have not said that all college degrees are not useful. Your binary mind pulled that out of your arse. I also said, that the analysis of whether loans should be eligible to be applied to certain colleges should include a review of the default rate and income levels of graduates of that college and specific program. An analysis of those factors along with several other will sort that out.

Your binary mind tries to take multi-factor scenarios and turn them into either-or scenarios. It's what you do.

You seem to be questioning whether such bogus bullshit littie-or-no return on investment degrees and colleges even exist in any meaningful quantity. To which, I will say again, let the viewers decide. The fact that you come to the table uninformed does not create and obligation on my part to bring you up to speed.

Oh, I get you think you have the solution but you can’t exactly define the problem. This is classic Dunning Kruger stuff. And thus you want to let the viewers decide, and perhaps they’ll side with your assertions but it will not be based on any evidence or facts.

This is fast becoming the American way. No thought, no analysis, no meaningful research or work - just throw out some stereotype, appeal to grievance and the “viewers” with grievance form a mob and any meaningful questions get drowned out by the cries for retribution. It’s sad.

 

[Ricter]

Hodges gets unusually heated on this one.

Stopped at his gold bug plug.

Gold has real value!
No, you can't breathe it, drink it, wear it, eat it, or tinder a fire with it, but...
Gold has real value!

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Oh, I get you think you have the solution but you can’t exactly define the problem.

Let the viewers decide.

If you don't see and can't define the problems related to student loans, then you might want to check your wifi connection out there on the Mothership circling the Hale-Bopp Comet.

In typical lib fashion though, you are willing to throw massive massive amounts of money at the student loan problem even though you allege that no one has defined any problem for you. Let's hold off on spending anything then if you have not been assured that there is any problem.

Another day out on the Mothership for you.

done. You are circling the toilet bowl.

 

[UsualName]

Let the viewers decide.

If you don't see and can't define the problems related to student loans, then you might want to check your wifi connection out there on the Mothership circling the Hale-Bopp Comet.

In typical lib fashion though, you are willing to throw massive massive amounts of money at the student load problem even though you allege that no one has defined any problem for you. Let's hold off on spending anything then if you have not been assured that there is any problem.

Another day out on the Mothership for you.

done. You are circling the toilet bowl.

All you are doing is insulting me as if I’m incapable of understanding and analyzing information. All I did was ask for information to back up your scam assertions and this somehow caused you a meltdown.

For example, GWB made a statement about private colleges running a loan racket and I happened to know about the university of Phoenix settlement and that was a useful and productive discourse. An allegation was made, information was reviewed and he actually had a useful and verifiable point. University of Phoenix was running a student loan racket.

You made the assertion that there is also a bogus degree racket going on. Ok, what does it look like? What is the extent of it? How much student loans are spent on this stuff? Is there any action being taken on this?

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

All you are doing is insulting me as if I’m incapable of understanding and analyzing information. All I did was ask for information to back up your scam assertions and this somehow caused you a meltdown.

For example, GWB made a statement about private colleges running a loan racket and I happened to know about the university of Phoenix settlement and that was a useful and productive discourse. An allegation was made, information was reviewed and he actually had a useful and verifiable point. University of Phoenix was running a student loan racket.

You made the assertion that there is also a bogus degree racket going on. Ok, what does it look like? What is the extent of it? How much student loans are spent on this stuff? Is there any action being taken on this?

Read my posts.

Ask others for help if you are confused.

Was GWB confused? I don't think so. Maybe he will take your bait.

 

[UsualName]

Read my posts.

Ask others for help if you are confused.

Was GWB confused? I don't think so. Maybe he will take your bait.

Your posts are useless. Im sorry.

Here is a useful link to degrees and debt amounts:

https://infogram.com/1pwxv6q9qqrwn9tvl510ypxwy7s9j39q7qy

What I will say is there is a good case for graduate degree consideration because they are so expensive and many times unnecessary. For example, in vocations like social work and teaching graduate degrees are often required but the salaries don’t necessarily justify the cost and don’t make a measurable difference.

But as far as cracking down on “basket weaving“ undergrad degrees, I’m not sure that is necessarily going to make a difference. People with any college degree have very low unemployment rates.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Your posts are useless. Im sorry.

Here is a useful link to degrees and debt amounts:

https://infogram.com/1pwxv6q9qqrwn9tvl510ypxwy7s9j39q7qy

People with any college degree have very low unemployment rates.

Again your binary mind tries to make everything either/or.

No one is talking about whether or not a college graduate is employed or unemployed or whether college graduates earn more than those who are not. Not the issue at all.

The issue is whether they can make payments on the loan and whether the loan is overly burdensome on their lifestyle such that it precludes other opportunities, or such that they want other people to bail them out.

If they are working down at the QuickPick or as a clerk at DMV, then fine. They are not unemployed. So they are paying that student loan off then?

So maybe they have a job that pays much more than if they had not gone to college. Okay fine, howz that working out for that 90K in student debt they have?

Please stop. Anything nuanced or multifactorial is automatically outside your worldview. We have established this many times over. You start shoveling out points that you feel like making but are not at the core of the issue. As I have said before, if you were a physician you would - in your own mind- be right about everything. Nevermind that all your patients die.

 

[UsualName]

Again your binary mind tries to make everything either/or.

No one is talking about whether or not a college graduate is employed or unemployed or whether college graduates earn more than those who are not. Not the issue at all.

The issue is whether they can make payments on the loan and whether the loan is overly burdensome on their lifestyle such that it precludes other opportunities, or such that they want other people to bail them out.

If they are working down at the QuickPick or as a clerk at DMV, then fine. They are not unemployed. So they are paying that student loan off then?

So maybe they have a job that pays much more than if they had not gone to college. Okay fine, howz that working out for that 90K in student debt they have?

Please stop. Anything nuanced or multifactorial is automatically outside your worldview. We have established this many times over. You start shoveling out points that you feel like making but are not at the core of the issue. As I have said before, if you were a physician you would - in your own mind- be right about everything. Nevermind that all your patients die.

The link I provided you shows exactly the data on college degree:debt:earnings. You’re welcome to go through it and actually see which degrees don’t meet your earnings standards. But again, you have not shown any data or any examples. All you have done that is even remotely close to information is a made up argument about college educated employees working at “Quick Pick”, whatever that is. How many college educated workers are underemployed? What is their debt level?

 

[FortuneTeller]

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[TreeFrogTrader]

[QUOTE="UsualName, post: 5281574, How many college educated workers are underemployed?[/QUOTE]

I keep trying to hold up cue cards to teach you that it is not about whether they are employed or unemployed. It is about whether their level of employability is able to sustain the level of their borrowing. I think the obvious answer is that it is a major problem. Otherwise, why the fuck are the masses looking for a major bail-out, write-off by arguing that their lives are disabled as a result of their student loans. Most likely, the overwhelming majority are employed.

You are back on ignore for a couple months. I am taking a couple people off ignore at the first of the year as I do occasionally, but I limit the number of active idiots at any one time, so have to move you out again.