Conservative Math: 8 million mothers or 4351 mothers, what's the difference?

[exGOPer]

The cultural breaking methids employed by some elements of the left include attacking family values, patriotism, and christianity.

These bad actors also look to create divisions among the American people. They pit young versus old, white versus black, rich versus poor, management versus worker, police versus the public, and so on.

The methods some members of the Democratic party and some of the media, such as certain news networks, sitcoms, and Hollywood use are as follows:

Polls - They use fake polls to try to create a public perception that what they are touting is actually supported by the population at large, even when it is not. This can also be called “bandwagoning”.

Fallacy of Composition - Certain members of the Left will point out the worst example of a member of a group and say the whole group is like that one person. For example: “Christians are hypocrites”. Certainly some are, just as certainly most are not hypocrites.

Ad Hominem Attacks - When some members of the left start losing an argument, they will attack the person instead. We actually see this alot on both sides in our own Elitetrader political forum.

Another common method used to create dissension is to get people to feel entitled to something and to tell them the other group is keeping them from it. Examples include Obamacare and Union workers being told their boss is screwing them.

Political Correctness - This was a device sucessfully used to stifle communication between people over the undue fear of offending someone.

This partial list of methods used by those that appear to hate the American people is deseminated through our media in the form of jokes in sitcoms, in our movies and in certain “news” outlets.

It is imperative to be knowlegeable of the techniques our opponents regularly employ and learn how to counter their methods. We have honesty and a positive message versus the negative, anti-American agenda of a few bad apples on the Left.

Can you actually be specific, I can claim the exact same thing for your side.

Ad hominem attacks? have you heard of Donald Trump?

 

[Slartibartfast]

Does he ever tell TreeFrog and others to stop calling liberals "tards"?

I believe I am the one who more than most started just calling stupid people stupid people, seeing as the right guys had started it and had hired the bully in chief as president.

There are only so many times you can tolerate nonsense and people on the right on ET who makes statements as fact when it is just something they would like to be true.

 

[jem]

this is chapter 2 of the troll playbook used by most if not all the lefties and the their sock puppets here... not just once in a while but we see it almost every day.

ExGoper specializes in the fallacy of composition and ad homs.
Tony cites fake polls which over sample democrats
Convert hillbilly calls everyone a white racist as he or she attacks whites
Tony call every not pre commie white a racist at times.
Many on the left attack Christians using the fallacy of composition and Ad homs
I would also ad that they also use straw men as they frequently misrepresent our arguments and then knock them down.
And then they bring in their sock puppets to like and cheer themselves on.

The cultural breaking methids employed by some elements of the left include attacking family values, patriotism, and christianity.

These bad actors also look to create divisions among the American people. They pit young versus old, white versus black, rich versus poor, management versus worker, police versus the public, and so on.

The methods some members of the Democratic party and some of the media, such as certain news networks, sitcoms, and Hollywood use are as follows:

Polls - They use fake polls to try to create a public perception that what they are touting is actually supported by the population at large, even when it is not. This can also be called “bandwagoning”.

Fallacy of Composition - Certain members of the Left will point out the worst example of a member of a group and say the whole group is like that one person. For example: “Christians are hypocrites”. Certainly some are, just as certainly most are not hypocrites.

Ad Hominem Attacks - When some members of the left start losing an argument, they will attack the person instead. We actually see this alot on both sides in our own Elitetrader political forum.

Another common method used to create dissension is to get people to feel entitled to something and to tell them the other group is keeping them from it. Examples include Obamacare and Union workers being told their boss is screwing them.

Political Correctness - This was a device sucessfully used to stifle communication between people over the undue fear of offending someone.

This partial list of methods used by those that appear to hate the American people is deseminated through our media in the form of jokes in sitcoms, in our movies and in certain “news” outlets.

It is imperative to be knowlegeable of the techniques our opponents regularly employ and learn how to counter their methods. We have honesty and a positive message versus the negative, anti-American agenda of a few bad apples on the Left.

 

[JSOP]

I prefer to support dull, but honest and well intentioned groups over smart, manipulative, and hateful groups.

Dull? Yes. Honest and well-intentioned? I doubt it. Like I said, anything that they support and uphold, "pro-American, pro-family" is something that doesn't need to be preached especially with some organization, it just needs to be practiced in REAL action.

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

I work with the poor here in Colombia a lot. In ways this is a model for conservative ideals. No social welfare, no safety net at all besides churches and some charity, NGO stuff that comes and goes with funding.

The is almost no begging, no please give signs, no cups. People who need money will get some candies and sell them for a few small coins each. There is an exchange of value, it is 'work' and in many ways admirable.

However.. churches bring predators, they are rife with abusers. Private charities or NGOs are ok, important to mostly staff them with women however. Only last week I had to deal with a bleached blonde 40s American guy who was pushing some evangelical franchise in my neighborhood. 14% of salary collected, Colombian preachers reporting to a Texas HQ.. a pure business like many US churches.

Then there are the public hospitals. Only a strong person goes there (not preachers I'm told) and talks to the elderly many who lost their pension through no fault, just unlucky. I do what I can, I'm no saint but I promise you.. you don't want what I've seen even in the last few months in your head.

Even in a close to perfect conservative system like Colombia.. there are huge downsides. So before saying xyz requires radical overhaul, I'd suggest understanding how well something works first is all, as the fix may create different suffering.

I salute you and your commitment to spending your time helping those not as fortunate as yourself.

I have witnessed heart-wrenching situations myself. For example, in Central LA I observed a young illegal alien mother carrying her young child in her arms as she hurried down the street. She had a look of panic and desperation in her eyes. She did not know where to go next.

In these situations, where someone is in a truly desperate situation, I believe there is a social obligation for the first person who has the means to help make sure that person gets the help they need. Personally, I will ask them some questions, reassure them, give them some money, and offer to take them to a church.

I hate to see certain elements of the Left beat up the churches the way they do. Of course I want a spotlight on pedophile priests as they cause multigenerational damage to a lot of people.
However, when the media appears to be filling an agenda to reduce the influence of the church on people for political reasons and use their efforts that can undermine the churches mission, that is where I take exception. What mother wants to take their child to a “building full of pedophiles?”, to paraphrase some of the things I have heard on the media.

The most effective system I can think to help to poor is a strong culture, where members of society are willing to actively participate in the community. We should focus letting churches do what they do best, make it hard for criminals to stay entrenched, and avoid asking the government to take over managing our community issues. Let us deal with it ourselves through our churches and other volunteers.