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Conservative Campaign Promises - How can you NOT vote for this guy?!
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Quote from Gabfly1:
Obama inherited a deficit. Harper inherited a surplus budget, whereupon he almost immediately started fiddling with taxes even though there was no indication yet of economic weakening at that time. There was still the matter of the national debt, mind you.
Why does the economy need to be weak in order to lower taxes? I, for one, know I can spend my money better than the government can spend my money. I welcome tax cuts anywhere in the business cycle. Provided the country is not burdened by staggering debt, mind you, which Canada is not and has not been for many years now.
Quote from Ricter:
Well, if I (we) didn't give them some money, sure as shit some big company would be digging up my yard.
Agreed. Which is why a certain level of taxation is necessary for a country. The question is - what level of taxation is necessary, and what level of taxation is overcumbersome and akin to extortion?
I believe Canada can afford to lower taxes, because they have more than enough tax money right now to provide all of the essentials a government should provide. This is evidenced by the many wasteful programs already funded by the government.
LOL... Please show me with numbers what Harper did to balloon the deficit.
Do you give credit to Harper for having the strongest economy in the G7? Do you blame Obama for having the weakest economy in the G7?
Gooooo Big government!!!!
Do you give credit to Harper for having the strongest economy in the G7? Do you blame Obama for having the weakest economy in the G7?
Gooooo Big government!!!!
Quote from Gabfly1:
W didn't just leave the WH with the largest deficit and national debt up until that point, he also left Obama with an imploding economy. Major financial institutions as well as automakers were on the brink. The list goes on. Maybe you're the kind of guy who likes to watch car crashes, but Obama did what most experts believed was required in order to avert a catastrophe. Meanwhile, the Right wants it both ways.
Obama inherited a deficit. Harper inherited a surplus budget, whereupon he almost immediately started fiddling with taxes even though there was no indication yet of economic weakening at that time. There was still the matter of the national debt, mind you.
The deficit is there. They are the numbers you are looking for.Quote from Hello:
LOL... Please show me with numbers what Harper did to baloon the deficit.
Do you give credit to Harper for having the strongest economy in the G7? Do you blame Obama for having the weakest economy in the G7?
Credit where credit is due? The G7 comparison is a relative measure, by definition. Fiscal policy has no real bearing on Canada's relative standing and is more the result of cyclical commodity prices on a resource-rich economy. And, perhaps, a fairly healthy regulatory environment, to which Harper has not contributed in any demonstrable way.
Harper inherited a robust budget and a well-regulated banking system. It was there before he got there. Obama inherited an exploding bag of shit and a lousy regulatory environment. It was there before he got there.
Quote from Gabfly1:
The deficit is there. They are the numbers you are looking for.
Credit where credit is due? The G7 comparison is a relative measure, by definition. Fiscal policy has no real bearing on Canada's relative standing and is more the result of cyclical commodity prices on a resource-rich economy. And, perhaps, a fairly healthy regulatory environment, to which Harper has not contributed in any demonstrable way.
Harper inherited a robust budget and a well-regulated banking system. It was there before he got there. Obama inherited an exploding bag of shit and lousy regulation. It was there before he got there.
Perhaps this discussion needs an injection of common sense - can we not admit that every new administration inherits their share of shit and their share of good?
Your reluctance to admit Obama did not inherit any good, and Harper did not inherit any bad is naive.
True. Every administration typically inherits both some good and some bad. But just to put a finer point on it, could you tell me what was the "good" that Obama inherited, and what was the "bad" that Harper inherited? Just curious.Quote from Kassz007:
Perhaps this discussion needs an injection of common sense - can we not admit that every new administration inherits their share of shit and their share of good?
Your reluctance to admit Obama did not inherit any good, and Harper did not inherit any bad is naive.
I don't see it as extortion.
I see it as membership dues.
People don't want to be a member? They don't have to. They can find another club.
I see it as membership dues.
People don't want to be a member? They don't have to. They can find another club.
Quote from Kassz007:
So you would like to see the government extort more money from citizens? Because that's what it is. Government to citizens:
"Pay up more of your hard earned cash, or else we'll allow the big bad corporations to get you!"