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Congradulations Democrats...you got healthcare passed, but who is going to treat you?
- Thread starter peilthetraveler
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Holy fack!!!, im out of weaponry!!!
Quote from hermit:
Last week, a doctor in Florida posted a sign on his office door that said:
âIf you voted for Obamaâ¦.seek urologic (sic) care elsewhere.
Changes to your healthcare begin right now, not in four yearsâ
Dr. Jack Cassell has since made several comments about his posting â that he was exercising his First Amendment rights, that he was making a âsuggestionâ to incoming patients, and that he was referring to his discontent with specific elements of healthcare reform he read about online. His wife, Leslie Campione (whoâs running for public office), helped to explain her husbandâs position by posting the following statement on her Facebook page via a tweet:
Leslie Campione for Lake County County Commissioner District 4 In response to recent news (1/2) Jack does not have a mean bone in his body. Jack would never turn a patient away in need, and Jack would never treat patients differently because of their belief systems. This was a symbolic exercise of his first amendment right to express the negative impact the health care legislation will have on all of his patients.
Dr. Cassell fully demonstrated his lack of understanding about theânegative impactâ of healthcare legislation. Apparently Ms. Campione doesnât understand symbolism, the First Amendment, or what constitutes turning away a patient in need and violating the physicianâs oath.
Symbolism is a device in which you substitute the direct object of your thought with a representative object. Itâs a way to talk about something without explicitly stating it. There is no symbolism in Dr. Cassellâs sign. Heâs talking specifically about Obama, health care, and his patients. The sign is not a symbol of anything; it gives people factual information about who is eligible for care in his office.
The freedom of speech guaranteed under the First Amendment isnât being exercised in Cassellâs sign, either. The sign contains irritation, arrogance, and no âcore political speechâ. Cassell is indeed welcome to say anything he wishes about politics, President Obama, the Democratic party, and health care reform. But he doesnât. His sign gives directions to people who come to his office seeking medical treatment. If you voted for Obama, go elsewhere. Thatâs not core political speech; thatâs discrimination.
A look at the physicianâs oath can help determine whether Dr. Cassell has a mean bone in his body and whether he treats patients differently because of their âbelief systemsâ. A modernization of the Hippocratic oath, the physicianâs oath is a dedication to humanitarianism in response to the medical atrocities committed in World War II. The oath is eloquent and simple, with one line ringing loudly:
âI will not permit considerations of religion, nationality, race,
party politics or social standing to intervene between my duty and my patientâ
So Dr. Cassell has some mean bones, a callous indifference to the people who seek his specialized care, and a profit-motivated rejection of health care reform. Iâm not sure what oath Dr. Cassell swore when he began his medical service; itâs clear to me the only oath to which he now subscribes is hypocritic.
http://www.alan.com/2010/04/06/jack-and-the-hypocritic-oath/
Erm, did I say anything to this effect? Why do you feel the need to comment on something I didn't either say or imply?Quote from maxpi:
and you probably think that without the tender mercies of communism the peasants would never have been taught to read too... LOL
The fact is simply that the Soviet authorities were successful in dealing with epidemics of infectious diseases, such as anthrax, plague, smallpox and cholera, that regularly occurred in tsarist Russia.
Oh no, I would have thought people here don't like Ayn Rand anymore, given that her biggest fan and disciple has been discredited so soundly...Quote from Blotto:
...I would not let them dictate the purpose for which my years of study had been spent, or the conditions of my work, or my choice of patients, or the amount of my reward. I observed that in all the discussions that preceded the enslavement of medicine, men discussed everything - except the desires of the doctors. Men considered only the 'welfare' of their patients, with no thought for those who were to provide it. That a doctor should have any right, desire or choice in the matter, was regarded as irrelevant selfishness; his is not to choose, they said, only 'to serve.'
--Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
At any rate, I don't see the relevance of this, given:
a) oaths the medical professionals swear and the resulting rules that they follow are self-imposed, rather than dictated by "the elected men that spout generalities";
b) the doctors themselves have different views on the subject (thank god for that), as evidenced by organizations like Doctors without Borders (MSF);
c) Ayn Rand's beef here is not with the rules embodied by the oath, but with the imperfections of the democratic process that allows elected officials to control the provision of healthcare.
Quote from hermit:
Last week, a doctor in Florida posted a sign on his office door that said:
âIf you voted for Obamaâ¦.seek urologic (sic) care elsewhere.
Changes to your healthcare begin right now, not in four yearsâ
Dr. Jack Cassell has since made several comments about his posting â that he was exercising his First Amendment rights, that he was making a âsuggestionâ to incoming patients, and that he was referring to his discontent with specific elements of healthcare reform he read about online. His wife, Leslie Campione (whoâs running for public office), helped to explain her husbandâs position by posting the following statement on her Facebook page via a tweet:
Leslie Campione for Lake County County Commissioner District 4 In response to recent news (1/2) Jack does not have a mean bone in his body. Jack would never turn a patient away in need, and Jack would never treat patients differently because of their belief systems. This was a symbolic exercise of his first amendment right to express the negative impact the health care legislation will have on all of his patients.
Dr. Cassell fully demonstrated his lack of understanding about theânegative impactâ of healthcare legislation. Apparently Ms. Campione doesnât understand symbolism, the First Amendment, or what constitutes turning away a patient in need and violating the physicianâs oath.
Symbolism is a device in which you substitute the direct object of your thought with a representative object. Itâs a way to talk about something without explicitly stating it. There is no symbolism in Dr. Cassellâs sign. Heâs talking specifically about Obama, health care, and his patients. The sign is not a symbol of anything; it gives people factual information about who is eligible for care in his office.
The freedom of speech guaranteed under the First Amendment isnât being exercised in Cassellâs sign, either. The sign contains irritation, arrogance, and no âcore political speechâ. Cassell is indeed welcome to say anything he wishes about politics, President Obama, the Democratic party, and health care reform. But he doesnât. His sign gives directions to people who come to his office seeking medical treatment. If you voted for Obama, go elsewhere. Thatâs not core political speech; thatâs discrimination.
A look at the physicianâs oath can help determine whether Dr. Cassell has a mean bone in his body and whether he treats patients differently because of their âbelief systemsâ. A modernization of the Hippocratic oath, the physicianâs oath is a dedication to humanitarianism in response to the medical atrocities committed in World War II. The oath is eloquent and simple, with one line ringing loudly:
âI will not permit considerations of religion, nationality, race,
party politics or social standing to intervene between my duty and my patientâ
So Dr. Cassell has some mean bones, a callous indifference to the people who seek his specialized care, and a profit-motivated rejection of health care reform. Iâm not sure what oath Dr. Cassell swore when he began his medical service; itâs clear to me the only oath to which he now subscribes is hypocritic.
http://www.alan.com/2010/04/06/jack-and-the-hypocritic-oath/
Of course it's going to be just peachy with you folks when the gubbermint REALLY tells people they can't get treatment they thought was promised to them.
No down payment is not no money down...as when you buy something you pay many transaction fees, especially in real estate.
So even though you can in certain situations convince a seller and or lender to accept a purchase with no down payment, it is not no money down to purchase the house...
Truth in advertising would force the con artists to tell the truth, at best it is no down payment, but hardly no money down to buy a house...
So even though you can in certain situations convince a seller and or lender to accept a purchase with no down payment, it is not no money down to purchase the house...
Truth in advertising would force the con artists to tell the truth, at best it is no down payment, but hardly no money down to buy a house...
Quote from jem:
zzz on your planet what is the difference between no money down and no down payment.
Quote from OPTIONAL777:
No down payment is not no money down...
you are are in face recovery mode. you were completely wrong and now you are playing games.
You are a fool to think people are getting homes with 100% financing. I do not care if you wish to call in no money down or no downpayment - those terms mean 100% financing.
"You are a fool to think people are getting homes with 100% financing. "
No money down would mean no money down.
Unless someone finances 100% of all costs, then money has to be put down by a buyer to purchase, rendering the idea of buying a home with no money down a complete lie.
No wonder so many of the no money down scam artists you worship spent time in jail...
No money down would mean no money down.
Unless someone finances 100% of all costs, then money has to be put down by a buyer to purchase, rendering the idea of buying a home with no money down a complete lie.
No wonder so many of the no money down scam artists you worship spent time in jail...
Quote from jem:
you are are in face recovery mode. you were completely wrong and now you are playing games.
You are a fool to think people are getting homes with 100% financing. I do not care if you wish to call in no money down or no downpayment - those terms mean 100% financing.
Quote from OPTIONAL777:
"You are a fool to think people are getting homes with 100% financing. "
No money down would mean no money down.
Unless someone finances 100% of all costs, then money has to be put down by a buyer to purchase, rendering the idea of buying a home with no money down a complete lie.
No wonder so many of the no money down scam artists you worship spent time in jail...
you do not get it.... 96.5% of the purchase price can come from an fha loan and 3.5% can come from the seller.
That is 100% einstein. Even trolls and trogs understand 100%.
By the way if you look up no money down - many of the cites allow for minor costs to be paid by the buyer and still be no money down.
you have been a fool for pages and pages.