Conceal Carry

[Tsing Tao]

In all honesty, IF it were possible to sprinkle some fairy dust and make all guns disappear forever in the US, there would be a large percentage of gun advocates that would accept that outcome...IMO, that's why these frequent debates on here go absolutely nowhere because the Canadian's to the north simply don't understand the dynamic at hand down in the US...and then they constantly accuse those with CCW's as the problem without considering the self defense angle.

Completely agree. This is what I've asked these gun control folks over and over, and what they simply cannot answer. How would you get rid of the hundreds of millions of weapons in the country already?

If there was a way to remove all weapons instantly, I might be open to some sort of significant control. But there isn't, and so it's a pipe dream. Let the moonbats shout at the rain. Gun control will NEVER happen. It is impossible.

 

[marketsurfer]

Yes, it sure sounds like a socialist utopia up there.

It was an extremely weird place. tons of indigents happily living off the government but Food and real estate was outrageously expensive for what it was--- pint of ben jerry ice cream ( talk about socialistsLOL) was $8.00-- crazy sh9t like that--- Plus very limited choices for dining, etc--- There were zero thug types but tons of crazy mental patients yelling crap and doing weird stuff--- it took me awhile to get use to it.

Happy to be out of there!

 

[marketsurfer]

Completely agree. This is what I've asked these gun control folks over and over, and what they simply cannot answer. How would you get rid of the hundreds of millions of weapons in the country already?

If there was a way to remove all weapons instantly, I might be open to some sort of significant control. But there isn't, and so it's a pipe dream. Let the moonbats shout at the rain. Gun control will NEVER happen. It is impossible.

\Agree 100% It's far too late and gun control will only hurt law abiding citizens at this point----

 

[wjk]

i lived in Ottawa Canada for several years. There was near zero crime, despite a large population of homeless, handicaps in hoverrounds racing on the streets, and drug addict types everywhere---- guns are outlawed, but I don't think there is a correlation, just saying---

Police are friends with the addicts and homeless, it was very weird dynamic---

The safest big city I ever walked in was Tokyo...but people respect each other in Japan, at least that was my impression when I was there in the late 80's/early 90's. People actually turned their headlights to parking lights at stoplights during night so as not to blind the opposite side. See something like that here and you might think you're being set up for a gang initiation crime or something. Handguns are not common over there, but I believe the respect thing is as important as gun ownership. Guns wouldn't be such a problem in a society where people actually respect each other.

 

[oraclewizard77]

The problem you seem to not be aware of is that if you are ever forced to use your weapon to defend yourself, there is a 90% chance that you will be arrested and then high chance that you will then need to defend yourself in a court of law. However, there is also a 90% chance you will be found not guilty. The reason why I don't carry weapons with me is that I am afraid of the 10% chance that I could go to jail. This is also why I use stops. I am afraid of the 10% chance that like marketsurfer has proven even though he probably was not trading with real money that you would blow out your account due to not having a stop.

 

[Nine_Ender]

It was an extremely weird place. tons of indigents happily living off the government but Food and real estate was outrageously expensive for what it was--- pint of ben jerry ice cream ( talk about socialistsLOL) was $8.00-- crazy sh9t like that--- Plus very limited choices for dining, etc--- There were zero thug types but tons of crazy mental patients yelling crap and doing weird stuff--- it took me awhile to get use to it.

Happy to be out of there!

The strong housing market in Canada suggests that you haven't really thought this out very well. Perhaps there are some people in the world who like low crime rates, good public schools, a decent social safety net, and a diversified population that respects each other as fellow human beings ( not by race/skin colour, political affiliation, or even income bracket ). So much drama in the US, so much violent crime, so much acrimony. Sure, there are more quality business opportunities in the US, and lower tax rates ( although the latter disparity has shrunk ). That trade off is starting to lose some shine, I see far fewer Canadians now then in the 1970s and 1980s who consider moving to the US as an upgrade.

It's obvious that many Americans know very little about Canada. Things are not so great in the US these days. The fact that everyone feels the need to be armed is not a good thing. But trying to criticize Canada in order to make you feel better about this is stupid. Canada is a better place to live then the US on several levels, and not as good on other levels. There are trade offs, the US chose their path. In reality, Canada has become more American the last 20 years but retained a good deal of what it means to be Canadian. Americans however seems very insular and arrogant in nature, rather then borrow good things from other nations, like Canada's superior health care system, you'd rather pretend you have it better and put the blinders on.

So let's keep it real here. Ottawa isn't packed with mental patients, you must have been hanging around a building where they live. There is nothing "weird" about Ottawa,it's boring if anything there, a large suburbia more then a city as most Americans relate to. It's federal buildings, schools, shopping malls, cinemas, and sports facilities. Plenty of park land and very short drive to huge parks.

So you didn't like it there, so what. It's not my favorite spot either, and I'm Canadian. But I'm sure many family oriented civil servants think it's great there.

 

[Nine_Ender]

The problem you seem to not be aware of is that if you are ever forced to use your weapon to defend yourself, there is a 90% chance that you will be arrested and then high chance that you will then need to defend yourself in a court of law. However, there is also a 90% chance you will be found not guilty. The reason why I don't carry weapons with me is that I am afraid of the 10% chance that I could go to jail. This is also why I use stops. I am afraid of the 10% chance that like marketsurfer has proven even though he probably was not trading with real money that you would blow out your account due to not having a stop.

There is also the inherent risk of the Tsing Tao's of the world losing their composure one day and making a bad situation deadly. One can see from his posts that he doesn't always exercise good judgement. So many murders occur within family disputes, and the availability of guns just makes short term conflicts or manic episodes more dangerous. I genuinely hope his close friends and family members never have to see the downside of him having a weapon.

Tsing Tao's employer clearly decided that the risks of allowing people to bring weapons to work as being dangerous, and left to their own devices too many people would arm themselves at work. Events like laying off employees would take on a heightened risk if people had a handgun nearby.

Tsing Tao seems to believe strongly in the need to be armed at all times. One has to wonder why then he is not petitioning his employer to allow them at his workplace.

 

[Tsing Tao]

The problem you seem to not be aware of is that if you are ever forced to use your weapon to defend yourself, there is a 90% chance that you will be arrested and then high chance that you will then need to defend yourself in a court of law. However, there is also a 90% chance you will be found not guilty. The reason why I don't carry weapons with me is that I am afraid of the 10% chance that I could go to jail. This is also why I use stops. I am afraid of the 10% chance that like marketsurfer has proven even though he probably was not trading with real money that you would blow out your account due to not having a stop.

Prove the 90% chance being arrested. Because near every single instance I've ever read about where a person has legally defended themselves and killed or wounded an assailant, that person has not been arrested. I'm curious where these stats come from you quote.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Tsing Tao's employer clearly decided that the risks of allowing people to bring weapons to work as being dangerous, and left to their own devices too many people would arm themselves at work. Events like laying off employees would take on a heightened risk if people had a handgun nearby.

Tsing Tao seems to believe strongly in the need to be armed at all times. One has to wonder why then he is not petitioning his employer to allow them at his workplace.

There is security already at our work. I am not worried about thugs coming in and trying to rob people here.

As for the why of the policy, the company says you can't do drugs either. As a libertarian, I believe people should be able to smoke pot if they want to. I don't (never have) but I believe in a person's right to. The company disagrees. I am ok with their rules, otherwise I'd have joined another company. They also say people can't wear flip flops or shorts. I don't have a problem with either, but that's company policy.

But you're correct - laying off people who could potentially be carrying firearms brings a whole element of risk to the party that they probably aren't willing to accept - and rightly so.

 

[Frederick Foresight]

...the company says you can't do drugs either. As a libertarian, I believe people should be able to smoke pot if they want to. I don't (never have) but I believe in a person's right to. The company disagrees...

Really? So, as a libertarian, you would be okay if people smoked pot in the workplace if they wanted to? What about the people who must work with them but don't want to inhale smoke or get the pungent smell on their clothing? And how about crack cocaine? What are your libertarian views on using that substance in the workplace? Not that I'm equating the two substances by any means. Rather, I just wish to better understand the extent of your libertarianism.