C'mon Canada

wrbtrader said:
The Base Rate Fallacy is a well-understood issue among those that understand the statistics of infectious disease. Those that do not understand are known ( like @Van_der_Voort_4 ) to try to manipulate the disease data.

Although explained again in laymen's terms:

The simpler, false analysis is what Raywat Deonandan, a University of Ottawa epidemiologist, called the “base-rate fallacy” in a recent blog post. It also underlines how the raw epidemiological facts of the pandemic have become a weapon of sorts in the vaccine wars.
  • The unvaccinated are now a much smaller pool of people, a similar absolute number of them in hospital still means that a far higher percentage are getting seriously ill.
  • And then there is the age factor. The risk of serious COVID disease is greater in older people, who are also more likely to be vaccinated.
So when the even-smaller number of unvaccinated elderly fill up the ICUs at the same rate as the more-numerous fully immunized, it indicates they are much more apt to be made badly sick by the virus.

In Ontario, for instance, unvaccinated people over 60 were 15 times more likely over the last 30 days to end up in the ICU with COVID than the fully vaccinated, according to Public Health Ontario figures...

Dr. David Jacobs, a radiologist at Toronto’s Humber River Regional Hospital, said most of the people at his centre who wind up on a breathing machine – a last-ditch treatment that can leave long-term side-effects even for patients who survive it – are unvaccinated.

The vaccinated are more likely to just need high-flow oxygen, a relatively non-invasive therapy that usually sees patients go home sooner, said Jacobs, who routinely scans COVID patients.

“From the imaging point of view, the holy-smokes pneumonias are in the unvaccinated population,” said the Ontario Association of Radiologists president. “The more mild pneumonias are in vaccinated patients…. People tend to recover faster from it and it does less damage to their lungs.”

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The above issue with the Base Rate Fallacy was the same issue in Israel and other countries with a high vaccination rate of their population. Yet, it's a common theme of just saying "more vaccinated are hospitalized than not vaccinated" that's used by anti-vaxxers/protesters since the early 1900s.

You can better understand this in the below charts that dives into the Ontario charts more easily into the data in comparison to the charts posted by @Van_der_Voort_4 about Covid Hospitalization in Ontario.

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This is the reason why Public Health Agencies in countries around the world continue (accurately) state this has become a Pandemic for those Not Vaccinated because those fully vaccinated are less likely to be severely ill from Covid in comparison to those not vaccinated.
  • Simply, if the fully vaccinated has a breakthrough Covid infection...the illness is less severe than those that are not vaccinated.
For example, if you have 100 fully vaccinated patients that are ill with Covid and returning back home in less than a week but you have 10 not vaccinated Covid patients on a ventilator / near death / dead that come from a much smaller pool of individuals in the same community...

You don't need to understand that vaccines are working very well to prevent severe Covid illness and that this remains a Pandemic for those Not Vaccinated.

The above reasons are why governments, disability insurance companies, costs to have healthcare insurance, work employment, and many others have now begun transitioning without those not vaccinated or removing the not vaccinated because they are now becoming too costly...

Crazy sad in my opinion.

Another way to look at this...Truckers and Protesters in the Freedom Convoy are gladly using charts like those posted by @Van_der_Voort_4 but will ignore the charts posted by me that reveal the real-world truth about Covid Vaccines and the impact the not vaccinated are having on our healthcare system and economy in this Pandemic.

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The occupation is starting to lose its small fire without more funding and the Republicans have shown their face to possibly be in support of the Freedom Convoy...maybe even behind some of the funding.

"This refund will happen automatically — you do not need to submit a request. Donors can expect to see refunds within 7-10 business days," GoFundMe said in its tweet.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/flo...undme-over-ottawa-trucker-donations-1.5769403

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In other news, Quebec's winter festival seems normal (I was there today for a few hours)...louder than a handful of truckers and about +1000 protesters a few blocks away near the National Assembly building.

My condo is within walking distance of the National Assembly. Most people I saw there seem to be like me...passing thru on their way to the Winter Festival considering Blvd René Lévesque is one of the popular routes (not the only one) into the Winter Festival.

Mainly just a lot of government businesses in the area and all the other nearby tourist areas with small stores that are nearby...no protesters, no trucks, and seems like any typical busy Winter Festival night because the Police has done an excellent job in keeping the trucks/protesters out of those areas.
  • This is a popular area for protests and it's the location for many historical protests along with being the area for Canada's most famous battles between the French and British (Plains of Abraham is nearby)...people in this area know how to live with protest.
That tells me that the Police have given the Freedom Convoy a street (a few blocks of Blvd René Lévesque) near the National Assembly. Protesters and truckers dressed properly for the cold weather...a lot of them begin leaving as it gets dark and a lot colder as the temperature drops dramatically at night and the wind picks up dramatically too off the mighty St. Lawrence river although the river is along the lower area.
The Winter Festival mainly is an event enjoyed by kids and families. A friend of mine that's a manager at Le Château Frontenac (several blocks away) said business is normal and quiet...it was that way this morning for me and my youngest teenagers when we went out for our usual walk on the weekend in which we end it by stopping by the Le Château Frontenac for our croissants.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1490060705558585351

Everybody else...having a good time at the Winter Festival.

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Posted Feb 7, 2022 by Martin Armstrong

Schwab has publicly bragged that he has “penetrated” cabinets around the world to force his economic philosophies upon the people circumventing any right of the people to vote. This was at his talk at Harvard.



He has infiltrated Harvard and has brought his agenda to be taught there. This is what he is doing. He is trying to infiltrate not just governments, but also all the universities to indoctrinate the next generation into his eyes. He has also created his Global Shapers program to also reshape the world into his Marxist vision.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/wef/schwab-admits-he-controls-trudeau-cabinet-of-canada-now-the-world/
 
One of the best drinks at the Winter Festival is a Caribou...I had two hot ones from a nearby sugar shack and I let my kids each have one. :cool:

I saw a woman walking among the truckers/protesters and encouraging them to go join the Winter Festival celebrations including giving them directions on where to buy their tickets for entry and giving them free Caribou on ice (looks like the image below) instead of a hot Caribou. :D

Caribou

What is a Caribou? Anyone who lives in Québec will tell you that a caribou is pretty much the greatest drink ever created. Caribou is similar to a mulled wine and for the most part contains red wine, brandy, cinnamon sticks, and of course maple syrup. It is served everywhere at carnival, hot and cold. Caribou is guaranteed to ward of those winter by warming you up from inside out.

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The Freedom Convoy has now started to listen to the people or they've realized on their own what is not working...

Freedom Convoy protesting here in Québec City has ended or moved on to some other city.
  • Why ?
There's no damn border crossing in Québec City and the vaccine mandates they're protesting involved the mandates being required to cross the United States/Canada border on both sides. :D :rolleyes:
It's possible the noise from the nearby Winter Festival was drowning out the noise from the truckers/protesters, maybe its the snowplow trucks plowing in their trucks, maybe it was thousands of Winter Festival visitors traveling thru the protesters camp to get to the Festival and now really caring because the protest was misplaced or maybe it was the ice-cold Caribou drinks being offered to them on a winter day instead of the hot drinks...
  • Or maybe it was the local residences in that area of Québec City who put out the word that they were considering taking up arms (weapons) against the truckers/protesters ???
The truckers/protestors now realized their issue has always been with the vaccine mandates involving truckers crossing the border. Thus, their protests should then be at the borders.

There lies the problem for them...protesting the border is no longer a Canada issue. It then becomes a United States issue too in which the U.S. can not get their consumer goods and it kills tourism traffic.

Simply, now the Republican back support that included funding of the Freedom Convoy...starts to hurt United States residences.

Oddly, both countries had started re-opening (removing/easing restrictions) before the Freedom Convoy. Here in Québec City it was decided a month ago that "ALL" restrictions will be removed on February 14th.

Houston...the Freedom Convoy now has a problem.

It's not complicated...get tested if you do not want to be vaccinated even though +90% of the truckers were already vaccinated prior to the mandates due to requirements from their private employer (not the government).


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The Canadian Freedom Convoy has attracted the attention of U.S. politicians debating their own country’s coronavirus protocols and drawn support from Republican figures including former president Donald Trump.
  • Responding to some of those critics Monday, Canada’s public safety minister, Marco Mendicino, said: “We’re Canadian. We have our own set of laws. We will follow them.”
It will be a costly political move by the Republicans of the United States to continue being involved with the Freedom Convoy now that the protests have started to migrate back to the border crossings that impact both Canada, and the United States especially when we're talking about a good percentage chunk of goods and thousands of health care workers living in Canada that are employed in U.S. hospitals near the border...traveling via the route of the border crossings.

Canadian officials caution against ‘foreign interference’ as U.S. Republicans back ‘Freedom Convoy’ protests

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/08/canada-freedom-convoy-truckers-desantis-paxton/

Regardless, it had already been decided in early January that Covid restrictions will be removed or eased by early February. Here in Quebec, it will be removed on February 14th...something I learned about back on January 8th.

Just as similar, many states in the U.S. are removing or easing their Covid restrictions including school face mask wear mandates now that the Covid "hospital numbers" are dramatically declining from the restrictions but provinces and states are cautioning their residences that restrictions will come back if the Covid numbers start dramatically spiking again because of a new Variant of Concern while at the same time telling people its time to learn to live with Covid and accept the consequences that come with it...

To me, that's a warning to those not vaccinated or that can not be vaccinated considering so far...the Variants of Concern have been birthed in other countries prior to causing chaos in the United States or Canada.

Frederick Foresight said:
Wow! I knew it had much to do with white supremacy, but I didn't know the extent:

Thousands of demonstrators have successfully occupied Canada’s frigid capital for days, and say they plan on staying as long as it takes to thwart the country’s vaccine requirements.

The brazen occupation of Ottawa came as a result of unprecedented coordination between various anti-vaccine and anti-government organizations and activists, and has been seized on by similar groups around the world.

It may herald the revenge of the anti-vaxxers.

The so-called “freedom convoy” – which departed for Ottawa on 23 January – was the brainchild of James Bauder, an admitted conspiracy theorist who has endorsed the QAnon movement and called Covid-19 “the biggest political scam in history”. Bauder’s group, Canada Unity, contends that vaccine mandates and passports are illegal under Canada’s constitution, the Nuremberg Code and a host of other international conventions.

Bauder has long been a fringe figure, but his movement caught a gulf stream of support after the prime minister, Justin Trudeau, announced last year that truckers crossing the US-Canada border would need to be fully vaccinated against Covid-19. The supposed plight of the truckers proved to be a compelling public relations angle and attracted an array of fellow travelers.

Until now, a litany of organizations had protested Canada’s strict public health measures, but largely in isolation. One such group, Hold Fast Canada, had organized pickets of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation’s headquarters, where they claimed that concentration camps had already been introduced in the country.

Another group, Action4Canada, launched legal challenges to mask and vaccine mandates. In one 400-page court filing, they allege that the “false pronouncement of a Covid-19 ‘pandemic’” was carried out, at least in part, by Bill Gates and a “New World (Economic) Order” to facilitate the injection of 5G-enabled microchips into the population.

Both groups are listed as “participating groups” on the Canada Unity website, and sent vehicles and personnel to join the convoy.

Other organizers joined Bauder, including Chris Barber, a Saskatchewan trucker who was fined $14,000 in October for violating provincial public health measures; Tamara Lich, an activist for a fringe political party advocating that western Canada should become an independent state; Benjamin Dichter, who has warned of the “growing Islamization of Canada”; and Pat King, an anti-government agitator who has repeatedly called for Trudeau to be arrested.

Since they have arrived in Ottawa, the extreme elements of the protest have been visible: neo-Nazi and Confederate flags were seen flying, QAnon logos were emblazoned on trucks and signs and stickers were pasted to telephone poles around the occupied area bear Trudeau’s face, reading: “Wanted for crimes against humanity.”

The official line from Bauder and his co-organizers, however, has remained focused; in a Facebook live broadcast, Bauder instructed his supporters to “stop talking about the vaccine” and instead stick to message of “freedom”.

Such strict message control has attracted mainstream support. Numerous members of the Conservative party, Canada’s official opposition, have come out to meet the protesters. Elon Musk and Donald Trump have both endorsed the convoy. Fox broadcasters Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson have provided glowing updates on the continuing occupation.

Bauder vowed the convoy would camp out in Ottawa until their demands are met, insisting to his followers that a “memorandum of understanding” would force the government’s hand, possibly even triggering fresh elections, if enough people sign.

A Canada Unity organizer went further, saying it would require the Senate to “go after the prime minister” for “corruption” and “fascism”. There is no legal basis for those claims.

King has laid out a more direct plan of action to the occupiers: “What we want to focus on is our politicians, their houses, their locations,” he said in a January Facebook stream. If political pressure doesn’t work, King said, blocking major supply chains “will be later on”.

Soon after, the head of security for parliament issued an extraordinary warning to members of parliament to avoid the protest entirely, for their own safety.

The occupiers have deliberately made life difficult for anyone in Ottawa’s downtown core. Trucks have been laying on their air horns throughout the day, often well into the early morning hours. An Ottawa court granted an injunction on Monday afternoon, ordering that the honking must cease.

In the shadow of parliament, a flatbed truck was converted into a stage – functioning as a speaker’s corner during the day, where far-right politicians and occupiers took the microphone to decry Trudeau and Covid vaccines. At night, the stage functions as a DJ booth for raucous dance parties.

Technology has made the occupation even easier: drivers share information on routes and the best ways to evade police barricades via the walkie-talkie app Zello. Organizers in other cities use the secure messaging app Telegram to share information, coordinate messaging and plan solidarity protests.

The occupiers now have the resources to stay for an extended period of time: they have raised more than C$6m (US$4.7m) through various crowdfunding platforms, in cash and bitcoin, despite having been booted from GoFundMe’s platform after raising over C$10m.

The Ottawa occupation is proof that a few thousand determined protesters can overwhelm police and shut down major cities with enough vehicles and coordination. Solidarity convoys have shut down the busy Coutts border crossing between Alberta and Montana, strained police resources in Toronto and Quebec City, and activists as far away as Helsinki, Canberra, London and Brussels have taken note. On the convoy channels, protesters warn this is just the beginning.


Canadian cities are being held hostage by bigoted conspiracy loons.
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Cuddles said:
no more honk honk in Canada, not that camera guy helped the situation any..

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Hilarious...

They forgot that the mandates had already been planned about a month ago to end in February if the Omicron wave was declining. Thus, the protest timing so close to the removal/easing of the mandates says one thing...stupidity.

Guess what, the Omicron wave is declining because the restrictions did their job...now provinces are removing/easing their mandates.

Regardless, honking horns to harass the community is not a protest right while being allowed to peacefully protest in the community. :D

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